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itsmemei
21-Oct-2020, 11:06 AM
Dear Dr Seow, need your assistance for this Hesperiinae, could this be Detached Dart (Potanthus trachala tytleri)? Thanks

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50511816862_76a7c62d27_b_d.jpg

Psyche
21-Oct-2020, 02:40 PM
Yes , a male Potanthus trachala .

A combination of three features help to ID this species.

1. FW spots 4 & 5 have no overlap with the spots above & below them, merely connected by the spikes.
2. HW combination spots 4 & 5 forming a block is strongly projected out from the upper margin of spot 3.
3. The abdominal end is strongly black-banded.

Male & female.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvlAhJLLsd0/VAxf7FbehUI/AAAAAAAAQFc/hP3tC8esw5s/s1600/HFH3746-Potanthus-trachala-tytleri.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Potanthus%20trachala%20tytleri/Potanthus_female_02.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

itsmemei
21-Oct-2020, 04:45 PM
Thanks, Dr Seow!

itsmemei
22-Oct-2020, 08:48 PM
Dear Dr Seow, is this the Full Stop Swift (Caltoris cormasa)? Thanks

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50125499376_5e912f9e6c_b_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50125720192_a3ae371f5a_b_d.jpg

Psyche
22-Oct-2020, 11:24 PM
Post 4.

Yes, a female Caltoris cormasa.

This species have a redder tone to the UnH brown in photos. FW spots are yellowish.

The UpF shows a single cellspot ,which is stated to be usual, thus called the Fullstop Swift for the single spot.
However, many Singapore examples often have a second tiny upper cellspot.

Male have a rounder FW apex. Female a more pointy apex & a longer profile.
Two males , one female.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c7t4k7FNWto/VAmxnaf6kHI/AAAAAAAAP84/mzvRAqFZVxo/s1600/HFH_3719-Caltoris%2Bcormasa.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TjKxWVHrQmg/VGbOal2gmXI/AAAAAAAAfZE/UXtIkUB2kE0/s1600/CC_adult_CherHern_01.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Caltoris%20cormasa/283%20Caltoris%20cormasa%20Bobby%20Mun.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

itsmemei
24-Oct-2020, 04:01 PM
Dr Seow, please help with the ID of this Telicota, thanks :)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50522871136_42c2843f38_b_d.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50522871226_020e8e68d2_b_d.jpg

Psyche
24-Oct-2020, 07:54 PM
Female Telicota augias.

First thing is to ID the sex.
Female, longer profile shape, sharper apex, & abdominal end with a slight cleft.

Eliminating the possibilities.

Female T. colon: FW spot 4 & 5 not aligned , staggered like a stepladder (may be distorted); Face is paler.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oK76RoQgG7U/Vi6iI06JxYI/AAAAAAAAHIU/MFkKuLjjSLs/s1600/023.jpg


Female T. linna.; FW spots 4 & 5 aligned; Face & lower part of abdomen paler. HW veins not dark-dusted.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Telicota%20linna/TL_female_02.jpg


Female T. besta. FW spots 4 & 5 aligned ; Face is paler.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Telicota%20besta%20bina/Telicota_on_scleria_female_01.jpg


Female T. augias. :FW spots 4 & 5 aligned; More uniformly orange, face not paler.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oeax9BCEjgI/VgoXgwcBG_I/AAAAAAAABhk/k60Yqt8YTVA/s1600/Telicota%2Baugias_female.jpg



TL Seow: Cheers.

itsmemei
24-Oct-2020, 08:45 PM
Thanks, Dr Seow!

Psyche
25-Oct-2020, 09:00 AM
Confusion is very easy with poor shots & worn individuals.

Here is another that should be correct as a female T. augias.
https://alchetron.com/cdn/telicota-7aad397d-530b-4278-9de9-7c816af1162-resize-750.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

itsmemei
27-Oct-2020, 10:24 AM
Dear Dr Seow, here is another hesperiid that needs ID help. Only managed to get the underside. Thanks!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50534501963_ed1c682a49_b_d.jpg

Psyche
27-Oct-2020, 02:46 PM
Post 10.

This is a fine professional shot.
No problem here.

Male Baoris oceia.


Baoris is easily confused with Caltoris.
The FW is longer & more imposing, especially in the male ( ie. extending out more from the HW.).
The antennal shaft is mostly black, the pale area seen in some Caltoris is absent or obscure.
The HW often have a vague pale area around the cellend.
The abdomen is obscurely banded.


Caltoris cormasa male for comparison.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BHjCrmr1vmU/VGOHeka4rFI/AAAAAAAAfWU/HCc7CgQcCLg/s1600/CCmale_newly_eclosed_01.jpg



Baoris farri :Browner, lighter. More often with a full complement of spots.
Male FW less sinuous , the lower half margin straighter, less excavate.
B. oceia does not occur in China or India, so examples of B. farri from there are more reliable.
Yunnan.
https://live.staticflickr.com/8293/7863317448_8bd63b4cb4_b.jpg
India.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Baoris_farri_-_Complete_Paint-brush_Swift_10.jpg
Male & female , Singapore.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jE5CT4nr9aE/VdHflea6zSI/AAAAAAAAjYA/nbzqtR6X8mI/s1600/Baoris_farri_adult_03.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x-06hY8OEZs/VdHfToCVpHI/AAAAAAAAjXg/8Y0EWmOuY3k/s1600/Baoris_farri_Cher_Hern_01.jpg


Baoris oceia: Darker brown; FW spots more often reduced in numbers.
Male FW lower margin excavate, giving a more sinuous curve.
Males 3, 1 female Singapore.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49909185968_65770a106c_b.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist/mugshots/Baoris%20oceia/Paintbrush-Swift---Khew.jpg
https://www.besgroup.org/wp-content/uploads/PaintbrushSwift-bird-dropping.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zofygsdg7GM/UtvU6laFe0I/AAAAAAAANUw/PukGtDMyHYo/s1600/HFH_0945+female+of+Baoris+oceia.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

itsmemei
27-Oct-2020, 11:36 PM
Thanks, Dr Seow :)