Butterflies from Thailand

[guldsmed]

I have again been to Thailand and as usual have some ID problems.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4773/25958017777_965a22b937_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCjD)Chiang Dao_20180202_1000_DSC_7139_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCjD) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/817/40829458951_df8f84b9de_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDEP)Chiang Dao_20180203_1153_DSC_7660_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDEP) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/817/40829459221_71e59f21ed_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDKt)Chiang Dao_20180202_1237_DSC_7335_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDKt) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/812/40829459551_1a85edd1a9_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDRa)Chiang Dao_20180202_1028_DSC_7163_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDRa) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4771/40829459421_2de0c73089_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDNV)Chiang Dao_20180202_1204_DSC_7305_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDNV) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

[Psyche]

Quite difficult to ID skippers based on one view.

The IDs are most likely coorect.

1 Pelopidas sinensis. Antenna with a white patch underneath, below the club ;FW spots pale buff. FW cellspots close.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2017/523_17049-211-58a7da5988941-1.jpg
Similar .
P. assamensis FW spots white & antenna broadly white-banded.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/PelopidasAssamensis/PelopidasAssamensis_TarunKarmakar_ap010.jpg
P. conjunctus ;FW spots yellow & antenna with a paler patch (not white), below the club.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/PelopidasConjuncta/PelopidasConjuncta_KSaji_ac767.jpg

2. Koruthaialos rubecula.FW orange band not reaching costa (forward margin).

3. Pithauria stramineipennis. Body & wingbases with greenish greyish ochre shading ;antenna tip orange.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GPFZpXn0PoA/V6Fo6ZDtz9I/AAAAAAAAJ5o/X8h6QZtyM6o0A2IbgIBSGre4KEbLlgjSQCLcB/s1600/hesp2.jpg

4. Borbo bevani; FW spots rounded ; Spot at space 1b absent or vague .(Only the right FW have a vague spot).
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wq1AMjvEq0s/UimxLW-3yyI/AAAAAAAAO90/qRzw-ot3a1o/s1600/%E5%B0%8F%E7%B4%8B%E8%A4%90%E5%BC%84%E8%9D%B6_%E5% B1%95%E7%BF%852.jpg
http://image.digitalarchives.tw/ImageCache/00/24/a1/f8.jpg
similar Borbo cinnara.
FW spots 2c & 3 crescentic; Spot in space 1b always present & sharp.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/BorboCinnara/BorboCinnara_KSaji_ad956.jpg
Parnara ganga is also very similar, the FW cellspot may be present or absent, but the antennal clubs are thick & black.
https://aminus3.s3.amazonaws.com/image/g0029/u00028039/i01469017/9fbe8d964ff94d93cff3a6c2d33b72be_large.jpg

5. Potanthus palnia; FW spot 5 smaller than spot 4; thorax dull & darker.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/365_10988-729-56bca4df0929d-1.jpg
https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4536/37999817064_e5eb33ea48_b.jpg
Similar Potanthus serina (or as P. hetaerus serina) More orange; body orangey.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I9rwXFooJpo/Uq-OfayjOyI/AAAAAAAAM9A/65jJdVHP7z4/s1600/HFH9849-Potanthus-up.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[guldsmed]

Thx a lot Seow!

Another batch of in-ID'ed hesperiids, the last batch (out of three I mostly have suggestions for...):

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/818/40829459301_f57118dac9_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDLR)Chiang Dao_20180202_1207_DSC_7313_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDLR) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/799/25958018947_00e5d88566_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCEP)Chiang Dao_20180205_1207_DSC_8267_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCEP) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/785/40829458641_ea96c6c9e1_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDzt)Chiang Dao_20180203_1415_DSC_7811_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDzt) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/812/25958018707_a6600593f8_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCAF)Doi Inthanon HQ_20180208_1643_DSC_8818_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCAF) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/816/40829458561_76c3fe16e4_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDy6)Chiang Dao_20180205_1222_DSC_8290_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDy6) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

[Psyche]

POst 3.

1. Notocrypta clavata.:reasily ID'ed by the underside band extending broadlt to the costal margin & lack of a spot in space 4.

2. This belong to a pair of sibling species whose separation based on external features are unknown.
Tentatively as H. wantona. narrower series of HW spots.

Presumptive H. pelethronix :broader series of HW dark spots.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OnecEME4dZY/U8yEfq0bQxI/AAAAAAAAP4U/uVn5KOWok1c/s1600/DSC_0228.JPG


3. Upperside of H. wantona/pelethronix.


4. Pseudocoladenia dan fabia; The horseshoe shape FW cellspot ID'ed this genus.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90640040.html
Another species have the FW cellspot less notched & the discal spots clustered together.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90640020.html

5. There are two similarly marked species lacking an orange triangular patch at the base of FW space 2.
T. besta male showing the triangular orange patch at the base of FW space 2 .(Also in males of T. augias & colon.)
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/56/186503785_3ff94f8404_b.jpg

a. T. linna :Large FW 18-19 mm. longer ;FW band relatively narrower.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wU0gNp51E3U/VgOg89qI7cI/AAAAAAAAOQg/t1opVeXR03U/s1600/Telicota-linna-Males---Horace-Tan.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qDEk4MIq_7Y/Vz1fLcMFHjI/AAAAAAAAmUA/i3pASYZomYsQt82Qg10lMbyNBvB3lzhogCLcB/s1600/TL_male_05.jpg

b. T. bambusae :Smaller FW shorter 14-15 mm. FW band relatively broad; HW band outer margins more indented.
http://www.flutters.org/home/photogallery/plog-content/images/butterfliesbrnbspnbspnbsphesperiidae-the-skippers-br/subfamily-hesperiinae--brnbspnbspnbsp-genus-cephrenestelicota--palm-dart-/dark-palm-dart__telicota-ancilla_ashish-tiple.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/171_10596-845-5690e216e2346-1.jpg


It is probably T. linna
T. linna is becoming more common in SE Asia. In Bangladesh it is stated to be the commonest Telicota.

TL Seow: Cheers.

[guldsmed]

Fantastic Seow, I am so grateful for your help, but during the years that I have received your aid, I think I have used up all phrases I know for expressing it - Anyway Thx again!

Here are the last of my problem hesperiids:

This one I have no guess for:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/817/25958017497_6253f356a3_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCeP)Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_58DSC_9438_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCeP) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Tentative ID: Tagiades japetus ssp. ravi

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/786/40829457001_63b6d3d510_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXD6c)Tagiades japetus ssp. ravi - Chiang Dao_20180205_1040_DSC_8134_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXD6c) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Seseria strigata, I think:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/818/25958017997_0cc91b0801_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCor)Seseria strigata - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_151DSC_9294_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCor) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Gerosis phisara ssp. pisara:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/820/25958018497_14dd7c22f2_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCx4)Gerosis phisara ssp. pisara - Chiang Dao_20180202_1304_DSC_7374_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/FxPCx4) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Matapa aria or at least Matapa:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/805/40829457811_598961ee8d_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDka)Matapa aria - Ban Thaton_20180128_1428_DSC_6445_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25cXDka) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

[Psyche]

Post 5.
1 Scobura phiditia.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91660001.html

The rest are correct.

2. Tagiades japetus ravi.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/TagiadesJapetus/TagiadesJapetus_HemantOgale_ah161.jpg

3. Seseria strigata.The HW series of black spots is dislocated.
https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Seseria-strigata
Similar .S. affinis ;HW series of balck spots not dislocated; white patch rounder.
https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Seseria-affinis-kirmana

4. Gerosis phisara phisara. Markings variable in extent.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp/671/Gerosis-phisara

5. Matapa aria.
M. druna is very similar but the HW cilia is strongly orange.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2014/94_961-452-545f0ac6d6bd2-1.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[guldsmed]

Thx and cheers to you too :-)

But I have problems in other families as well... My own suggestions for the first are in the filenames

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/821/40012874675_fd5b0386e4_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23XNrBz)Yasoda tripunctata ssp. tripunctata - Namtok Siribhum_20180208_1223_DSC_8735_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/23XNrBz) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/808/40864585412_71fcfc5f22_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25g4Fxs)Remelana jangala ssp. ravata - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_120DSC_9348_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25g4Fxs) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

This damaged beauty I do not know

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/815/40012875045_e7bba33353_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23XNrHX)Q. Sirikit BTG_20180211_1439_DSC_9148_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/23XNrHX) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Nor this one

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4773/39096838940_eab5d9c887_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/22yRw71)Q. Sirikit BTG_20180211_1409_DSC_9136_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/22yRw71) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

[Psyche]

Post 7.

1 Yasoda tripunctata tripunctata.
https://wingscales.com/content/record/636-1-ce5e6.jpg
Ssp. atrinotata seems to be darker with blackish tails.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2924/14134395654_df1c109c52_c.jpg
https://wingscales.com/content/record/1152-1-e1168.jpg

2. Ramelana jangala ravata.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/RemelanaJangala/RemelanaJangala_RohanLovalekar_ab451.jpg

3. Simiskina phalia potina. More often blue.
Two Simiskina extend into N. Thailand.
http://www.dnp.go.th/FOREMIC/NForemic/Caterpillars%20Food/Philips%20pet%20Caterpillar/img27%20march%2055/Lycaenidae/butt/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%97% E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8 %99/Ly%20%20hs5sp/Sub_Poritiinae/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%81% E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%9F%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9 %80%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B0%E0%B8%81% E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%9F%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9 %80%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%20%20Simiskina%20pr oxima%20dohertyi%20.jpg
Simiskina pheretia pheretia.Malaya.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GUjcNN3w6dA/WVgqsM-bk2I/AAAAAAAAdVU/tU2gYrw8EF4gEiVhQ71IE8GH5Dsx_jQKgCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC_2367.JPG

4. Cheritra freja evansi. What appears to be extra spots on the HW are injury marks. : Correction: Ticherra acte.
The extend of the white varies.
Ssp evansi is often mostly brownish on the underside.
https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cheritra_freja_freja#/media/File:CheritraFrejaFrejaMFUpUnAC1.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/1a_7/301765347c68699d68.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[guldsmed]

At least my two suggestions were right then - thx again :-)

[atronox]

Shouldn't the last Lycaenid be Ticherra acte? C. freja isn't so orange. The white spots seem aberrant

[Psyche]

Shouldn't the last Lycaenid be Ticherra acte? C. freja isn't so orange. The white spots seem aberrant

Quite right.
I didn't realised there is a dsf with spottings on the underside.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp/684/Ticherra-acte

TL Seow: Cheers.

[guldsmed]

Thx a lot to both of you :-)

[guldsmed]

?
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/809/27035908848_90c443423f_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56Ms)Chiang Dao_20180202_1033_DSC_7168_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56Ms) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Cheritra freja?
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/795/40906670681_f17ff66c9d_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25jMo2x)Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_128DSC_9337_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25jMo2x) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Nacaduba
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/810/40906670801_0a4104af90_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25jMo4B)Nacaduba - Chiang Dao_20180202_1033_DSC_7173_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25jMo4B) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Niphanda asialis, I am quite convinced?
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4786/40864586262_219722583f_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25g4FN7)Niphanda asialis - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_130DSC_9334_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25g4FN7) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Jamides?
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/818/27035909008_f72d8b1eda_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56Qd)Jamides - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_23DSC_9496_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56Qd) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Jamides?
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4771/40864586952_5f6cde8494_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25g4G11)Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_93DSC_9382_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25g4G11) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

[Psyche]

Post 13.

1 Catochrysops panormus
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2018/279_26819-80-5aad26e67f80c-1.jpg

2. Cheritra freja.
http://www.learnaboutbutterflies.com/Cheritra%20freja%208052-001a.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[atronox]

Nacaduba is N. beroe gythion from the absence of the most basal costal spot on the forewing.

The Jamides are dsfs of J. celeno

[guldsmed]

Thx alot to both of you! The first ones of the next batch I think I got right:

Hypolycaena othona ssp. othona
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/789/27035909288_8da7eec6a3_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56V3)Hypolycaena othona ssp. othona - Chiang Dao_20180205_1137_DSC_8193_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56V3) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Hypolycaena erylys ssp. himavantus
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/792/27035909368_11b33abe05_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56Wq)Hypolycaena erylys ssp. himavantus - Chiang Dao_20180205_1139_DSC_8204_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56Wq) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Hypolycaena amasa ssp. amasa
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/799/27035909488_d9feb85055_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56Yu)Hypolycaena amasa ssp. amasa - Chiang Dao_20180205_1310_DSC_8380_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/Hc56Yu) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Heliophorus I think Heliophorus epicles ssp. latilimbata
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/810/27035909648_e737de07c1_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Hc572f)Heliophorus epicles ssp. latilimbata - Ban Thaton_20180128_1237_DSC_6402_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/Hc572f) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Curetis acuta ssp. dentata
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/804/40012880165_916a080916_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23XNtfe)Curetis acuta ssp. dentata - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_116DSC_9354_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/23XNtfe) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Cigaritis lohita ssp. himalayanus or is it another Cigaritis
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4785/40012880355_d4b92a021d_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23XNtiv)Cigaritis lohita ssp. himalayanus - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_104DSC_9369_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/23XNtiv) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

This one I have no idea...
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/801/40012880755_0c574e6563_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23XNtqp)Chiang Dao_20180203_1426_DSC_7830_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/23XNtqp) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

[atronox]

Last lycaenid is Una usta usta

[Psyche]

Post 13.

3 should be Ionolyce helicon .There is a perspective distortion which makes the FWs short.
The FW postdiscal band is serially dislocated which is not seen in Nacaduba.
https://static.inaturalist.org/photos/2530979/large.jpg?1444964886
Female Singapore
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6y12N-hHplc/T0jN0b3KXKI/AAAAAAAAHCg/iwa1fh16g7E/s1600/PointedLineBlue-HoraceT2.jpg
Thailand.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H03HQ8Y2p8I/VQ-ZXm2GGUI/AAAAAAAAApA/YkC84oKoRVE/s1600/BBB%2B-%2B0609.jpg
Nacaduba beroe Thailand.
https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Nacaduba-beroe-1080x720.jpg


4. The two Niphanda asialis & tesselata are very similar on the underside. The antenna is more gradual in tesselata & more abruptly clubbed in asialis but is very hard to judge.
Typical asialis have lighter spots but again variable.

N. asialis. The broad dark upperside FW border ID'ed it as N. asialis
http://www.dnp.go.th/FOREMIC/NForemic/Caterpillars%20Food/Philips%20pet%20Caterpillar/img27%20march%2055/Lycaenidae/butt/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%97% E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8 %99/Ly%20%20hs5sp/Sub_Polymmatinae/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%87% E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%81%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8 %A5%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%83%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%8D/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%87% E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%81%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8 %A5%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%83%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%8D%E0%B9%88%2 0(3).jpg
http://www.dnp.go.th/FOREMIC/NForemic/Caterpillars%20Food/Philips%20pet%20Caterpillar/img27%20march%2055/Lycaenidae/butt/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%97% E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%B7%E0%B9%88%E0%B8 %99/Ly%20%20hs5sp/Sub_Polymmatinae/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%87% E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%81%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8 %A5%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%83%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%8D/%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%87% E0%B8%9B%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%81%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8 %A5%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%83%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%8D%E0%B9%88%2 0(4).jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8623/16605856652_08944ceae3_c.jpg

N. tesselata. The narrow border ID'ed the male tesselata.
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/expeditions/lycaenidae/niphandatessellata/

As N. tesselata is much the commoner of the two in Malaya the situation may be the same in Thailand.
It is very difficult to tell at the moment.

5 & 6 dsf J. celeno is right.
In dsf J celeno has the FW submarginal band intact whereas this is broken into spots in J. pura.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp/556/Jamides-celeno
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp/920/Jamides-pura


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Psyche]

Post 15.

4. H. epicles latilimbata.
This is very similar to H. ila nolus.
The FW submarginal white spots tend to be lunulate (curved) & the HW black triangular spots larger in H. epicles.
India.
http://www.learnaboutbutterflies.com/Heliophorus%20epicles%209767-001a.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/HeliophorusEpicles/HeliophorusEpicles_KrushnameghKunte_ai827.jpg

H. ila Thailand. FW white spots liner & HW black spots reduced.
https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Heliophorus_ila#/media/File:Ila_nolus_ACC_3043to4.jpg


5.C. acuta dentata have very angular wings.

6.Two species are very confusing.
Eliot states in C. seliga HW orange patch have a sharp extension in space 1b ;UN FW marginal pale narrow band obliterated or heavily sullied.
In C. lohita orange patch rounded & Un FW pale band clear.
Compare the marginal pale bands on the FW & HW . Note on FW the band is almost obscured.

http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/82890001.html
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/82890010.html

http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/82880020.html
Note ssp senama does not extend into central Thailand.
This suggest all below are correct as ssp himalayanus.
https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Cigaritis-lohita-himalayanus
Note FW marginal pale band is intact.

This confusingly appears to be C. seliga from upper& undersides.
https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cigaritis_lohita_himalayanus#/media/File:CigaritisLohitaHimalayanusMUpUnRDK1.jpg
The orange patch in lohita is more rounded.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/SpindasisLohita/02SpindasisLohita_HemantOgale_aa959.jpg

I think 6 has to be C. seliga as Yutaka's examples of seliga all show UnFW marginal pale band obscured.

Currently I think the genus name is back to Spindasis.

TL Seow: Cheers.

[atronox]

Surprising that it's actually an Ionolyce. I was looking at wing shape too but decided there can't be any distortion because every part is more or less in focus(i.e. camera was parallel, so very little difference in focal length at any point) so i went with Nacaduba. If it's really Ionolyce then it's a very strange shape, even if it's female(female I. helicon have very convex forewings so that the distal edge of the forewing sticks out slightly further than the distal edge of the hindwing; which is not the case here).

Doesn't I. helicon always have the spot in space 3 of the post-discal series out of line with the one above it in space 4 whereas they are in line in Nacaduba? I've seen pics of N. beroe with varying degrees of dislocation of the post-discals like this (http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot.sg/2015/03/the-opaque-six-line-blue-nacaduba-beroe.html) so i'm really not sure how to interpret that. (The last one in the link looks almost like I. helicon actually)

[Psyche]

Surprising that it's actually an Ionolyce. I was looking at wing shape too but decided there can't be any distortion because every part is more or less in focus(i.e. camera was parallel, so very little difference in focal length at any point) so i went with Nacaduba. If it's really Ionolyce then it's a very strange shape, even if it's female(female I. helicon have very convex forewings so that the distal edge of the forewing sticks out slightly further than the distal edge of the hindwing; which is not the case here).

Doesn't I. helicon always have the spot in space 3 of the post-discal series out of line with the one above it in space 4 whereas they are in line in Nacaduba? I've seen pics of N. beroe with varying degrees of dislocation of the post-discals like this (http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot.sg/2015/03/the-opaque-six-line-blue-nacaduba-beroe.html) so i'm really not sure how to interpret that. (The last one in the link looks almost like I. helicon actually)

You do have a point.
The reason why I think it might be I. helicon at that time is that a numbers of features are not quite right.

1. Typically the dark striae within the postdiscal bands on both FWs & HWs are very poor ,disintegrating, ie broken up into bits in beroe; they are strong here.
2. Generally the HW submarginal spots 3, 4, & 5 are pointed in. I. helicon & rounded in N. beroe.
3. FW postdiscal spot 3 is dislocated out in I. helicon .but there seem some examples which are less obvious.
4. The dark wingbases typically larger in N. beroe.

N. beroe ssp. gythion ,Thailand & ssp. neon, Singapore.
Note the dark striae within the postdiscal bands are disintegrated, & the HW submarginal spots 3, 4, & 5 not pointed.
https://www.thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/nacaduba-beroe/
https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/6a0100a801ee89000e0123ddf39fce860b.jpg

Taking macro shots of a small butterfly on the ground is likely to introduce some perspective distortion, unless the camera is at ground level.
eg. N. beroe asakusa ,Taiwan.

Shot taken with camera level with the butterfly .Note stones at same distance of butterfly sharp. No distortion.
http://eoldata.taibif.tw/files/eoldata/imagecache/data_object_image/images/252/l36-2-1.jpg

Shot taken angled down towards butterfly. Foreground mostly sharp ;Wingshape distorted with FWs rounded.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-h8jJV2NbGFQ/UiSMwKoT8tI/AAAAAAAAOv8/XDN5xikrgA0/s1600/%E5%8D%97%E6%96%B9%E6%B3%A2%E7%B4%8B%E5%B0%8F%E7%8 1%B0%E8%9D%B6_%E7%AB%8B%E7%BF%852.jpg

The shot with the 'Nacaduba' has the foreground similarly sharp indicating it was taken from a camera at a higher level than the butterfly.

However, overall It looks more likely to be N. beroe perhaps with some hybrid element.


TL Seow: Cheers.
PS I. helicon with wingshape distorted.
http://alamshah.web.fc2.com/BFP32-38/BFP38/3802P6258709q.jpg

[guldsmed]

Thx. a lot for your interesting exchange of views - I can not contribute much my self. I am quite sure, I was laying on the ground, when I took the shot, so the camera was fairly low but probably still somewhat higher than the butterfly :-)

[Psyche]

Thx. a lot for your interesting exchange of views - I can not contribute much my self. I am quite sure, I was laying on the ground, when I took the shot, so the camera was fairly low but probably still somewhat higher than the butterfly :-)

Agreed. Your pix does look good & undistorted.

Generally we do not notice or care about distortion until it is important.
Most distortion pass un-noticed until it is obvious.

In post 13 ,pix 1 Catochrysop panormus has its wingshape quite distorted.

TL Seow: Cheers.

[guldsmed]

In post 13 ,pix 1 Catochrysop panormus has its wingshape quite distorted.

TL Seow: Cheers.

Yes, that one is not good. Often I take a "safety shot" when I am in the process of getting down. If I succeed in getting (more) level with the puddling critters, I will normally delete the safety shots, but sometimes it is all I get ;-)

[guldsmed]

Last Lycaenids, they are probably all the same. My best guess Celastrina lavendularis.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/814/40012880955_b337f5f21a_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23XNttR)Chiang Dao_20180202_1024_DSC_7159_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/23XNttR) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/786/40906670991_0e7c5d925f_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25jMo7T)Celastrina lavendularis ssp. limbata - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_94DSC_9381_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25jMo7T) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/806/40012881135_83e28e9eda_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23XNtwX)Celastrina lavendularis ssp. limbata - Chiang Dao_20180205_1412_DSC_8483_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/23XNtwX) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

[Psyche]

Post 25.
All three should be Udara dilecta.

In Udara dilecta the HW postdiscal spot 7 (topmost HW spot) is no darker than the other spots below it.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/UdaraDilecta/UdaraDilecta_KrushnameghKunte_aa664.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/137_6238-891-5549e424cbc84-1.jpg

In Celastrina HW postdiscal spot 7 is much darker than the other post discal spots below it.
In C lavendularis darker grey so all HW spots are white-ringed.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/CelastrinaLavendularis/CelastrinaLavendularis_GauravAgavekar_aa671.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/CelastrinaLavendularis/CelastrinaLavendularisLimbata_pareshkale_al949.jpg
https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Celastrina_argiolus_iynteana#/media/File:CelastrinaArgiolusIynteanaMFUpUnAC1.jpg


TL Seow: Cheers.

[atronox]

2. Generally the HW submarginal spots 3, 4, & 5 are pointed in. I. helicon & rounded in N. beroe.


I noticed this too and it made me uncertain but i felt it had more features in common with N. beroe

[Psyche]

I noticed this too and it made me uncertain but i felt it had more features in common with N. beroe

Agreed. Ionolyce is closely related to Nacaduba & was earlier placed in Nacaduba.


TL Seow: Cheers.

[guldsmed]

Aha! I will certainly try to remember that one. Thx a lot Seow!

[guldsmed]

I showed earlier a Niphanda, that I had ID'ed as N. asialis, but you think more likely to be N. tesselata. I actually have shots of at least three different ones from two sites, wonder if they are all the same? They actually differ somewhat in the characters you mention, but is it enough?

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4777/40864586092_ebf1ba30b4_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25g4FKb)Niphanda asialis - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_146DSC_9300_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25g4FKb) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4786/40864586262_219722583f_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25g4FN7)Niphanda asialis - Namtok Monta Tan_20180212_130DSC_9334_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/25g4FN7) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/820/39096839070_64f879a30b_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/22yRw9f)Niphanda asialis - Chiang Dao_20180205_1241_DSC_8343_DxO (https://flic.kr/p/22yRw9f) by Jan Fischer Rasmussen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jan_f_rasmussen/), on Flickr

Best wishes and again thx for all the help

Jan F. Rasmussen