Request for Id.

[Ngangom Aomoa]

Please help me in identifying this lascar.
Photo taken in Assam, India on February, 2015.

[Psyche]

Male dsf (dry season form) Pantoporia hordonia. marginal orange line & broad markings indicates dsf
Note the grey line separate the orange line from the orange bands completely.

P. sandaka davidsoni for comparison. Note grey line almost obliterated; FW band with a long 'foot' along lower margin.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/379_10932-872-56b4c8f2148bd-1.jpg

TL Seow: Cheers.

[Ngangom Aomoa]

Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for your clarification about my butterfly.

But sir, I am little confused about the link you ve sent for P. sandaka as it is written P. hordonia in the photo. Does this mean they miss identified the specimen?

Thanking you
Aomoa

[Psyche]

Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for your clarification about my butterfly.

But sir, I am little confused about the link you ve sent for P. sandaka as it is written P. hordonia in the photo. Does this mean they miss identified the specimen?

Thanking you
Aomoa

I am afraid there are a lot of error images on the net.

The male of P. hordonia can be positively IDed by the smaller grey speculum on the HW but this is often hidden.
The orange line & bands are well separated by a grey which may be irregularly constricted.

P. hordonia hordonia wsf Laos male Note grey speculum on HW.
http://www.neutron.phys.ethz.ch/Lepidoptera/Nymphalidae/IMG_1728.JPG
P. hordonia male dsf. note wider orange & HW grey speculum.
http://www.neutron.phys.ethz.ch/Lepidoptera/Nymphalidae/P1220036.JPG


P. sandaka davidsoni. The white speculum is larger & cut into the upper part of the orange band.
The orange line is wider & touches the inner broad orange bands ,the grey line in between is mostly missng.
wsf male.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/PantoporiaHordonia/01PantoporiaHordonia_KrushnameghKunte_aa857.jpg
wsf female
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RqeC2Pi80lQ/UKTtcbQq0bI/AAAAAAAABHo/hleWVbKqVBc/s1600/Common+Lascar.jpg
extreme dsf Bhutan.
http://www.bhutanbutterflies.org/uploads/5/5/8/3/55838739/8855548_orig.jpg
P. sandaka sandaka from Malaya orange markings are narrow :HW white streak shows edge of white speculum.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VJ58MK0t4kg/Une7R4qWGkI/AAAAAAAALd4/mvnIyXXLLF0/s1600/DSC_0127.JPG



The male below is P. hordonia probably as intermediate dsf, the small HW grey speculum confirms it.
This was taken in January.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/87_2962-930-54b27a7b1fc15-2.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/87_2962-930-54b27a7b1fc15-3.jpg

Compare this male P. sandaka also taken in January in southern India.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2016/379_10932-872-56b4c8f2148bd-1.jpg

TL Seow: Cheers.

[Ngangom Aomoa]

Thank you very much sir. Things are very much clear now.

As I was checking my Lascar photos for comparison, I got this one taken from Cherrapunjee, Meghalaya (India) in the month of March. I see that the grey line separating the orange line from the orange bands is broken at few places. So, can we conclude this as P. Sandaka?

Thanking in advance.
Aomoa

[Psyche]

Post 5 Yes it is a male P. sandaka.
This one is unusual in that the orange line is poorly developed.
Normall the orange line is very prominent in sandaka.
However, this particular male sandaka below also has a very poor orange line.
http://www.bhutanbutterflies.org/uploads/5/5/8/3/55838739/8855548_orig.jpg

In some examples it may be difficult to tell the females apart ie the female dsf hordonia is very similar to sandaka.

Another example of male dsf hordonia
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7549/15258215933_107b0918ea_b.jpg
A more normal male .
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-PcNVp5jTXcc/Vo0rfex1g3I/AAAAAAAAGpQ/0nJwzjVYQsY/w817-h545-no/Common%2BLascar%2BPantoporia%2Bhordonia%2BNymphali dae..JPG

Male & female wsf P. sandaka.Note the very long 'foot' of the postdiscal band along the lower FW margin in the male.
http://www.grafimx.com/photo/73058
http://www.indianwildlifephotographer.com/ywd-uploads/2016/2/Common_Lascar-or-Pantoporia_Hordonia.jpg

TL Seow :Cheers.

[Ngangom Aomoa]

Now the grey line is clear to me.

Pardon my shortcoming, but with all my effort, I am not able to point out what is the "long foot of the post discal band" which seems to be the characteristic of the male lascars. Please help me understand this.

[Psyche]

Now the grey line is clear to me.

Pardon my shortcoming, but with all my effort, I am not able to point out what is the "long foot of the post discal band" which seems to be the characteristic of the male lascars. Please help me understand this.

If you look at the FW postdiscal band which is just to the inside of the orange line it has a rounded head and a long 'foot' which runs along the lower margin towards the base.
The foot is variable in P. hordonia but usually long in P. sandaka.

P. hordonia wsf intermediate
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/2015/270_8078-375-55e690c139adb-1.jpg
HK.
http://m1.i.pbase.com/o6/75/35275/1/76894091.zxpsLoV8.PantoporiahordoniaCommonLascar01 .jpg

P. sandaka male.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantoporia_hordonia#/media/File:Common_Lascar-DSC_0834.jpg

The females of both species have a short foot & so can be identified.
P. hordonia female.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5546/10726538276_4e36d38acb_b.jpg
P. sandaka female.
http://www.indianwildlifephotographer.com/ywd-uploads/2016/2/Common_Lascar-or-Pantoporia_Hordonia.jpg

TL Seow: Cheers.

[Ngangom Aomoa]

Ok, now I understand. Now this two species are very clear for me. Thanks a lot.

Until next time when I come with another UFO. :)

Cheers.
Aomoa