Kaeng Krachan NP., Thailand - 26/27 January 2014

[Painted Jezebel]

Antonio and I took a short trip to Kaeng Krachan for a bit of R&R off the Islands.

Unfortunately, I think we were a couple of weeks too early as butterfly numbers were low, certainly when compared to our trip there last year. However, it was not without incedent for me. I was to meet up with Antonio, who was coming down from Bangkok, so I took the train up to Phetchaburi. Unfortunately, within 15 minutes we had a train crash when we ran over a truck carrying oil palm fruit (my first +1), and the truck was stuck under the train. Fortunately no-one was hurt. Then, Antonio dropped me off at Suratthani Railway station to pick up my motorbike on the way back and I had a flat front tyre. Finally, I now have a bad cold!

I was not certain I had any +1s from this trip, but it appears I did manage three.

1) Odina decorata (Zig-Zag Flat)
2) Scobura isota (Swinhoe's Forest Bob)
3) Miletus ancon (Divided Brownie) - I think!

[Psyche]

It certainly matched the female M. ancon very well.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/MiletusAnconAnconFUpUnRDK1.jpg/941px-MiletusAnconAnconFUpUnRDK1.jpg

TL Seow:Cheers.

[Peacock Royal]

The Zig-Zag Flat is nice.

[Glorious Begum]

wah.. the Zig-Zag Flat is beautiful.

[bluefin]

Agree with Fed, & LC.

The ZZ is nice.

:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Some Polyommatinae that I have a few problems with.

1 & 2) The were plenty of Acytolepis puspa and Celatoxia marginata puddling. The problem is ensuring getting upper and undersides of the same specimen, and I failed. These two photos were, I thought, both C. marginata, but I notice that the hindwing borders are completely different.
3) Is this Nacaduba beroe? The dark basal area suggests it but is it sufficient?
4) Is this Udara placidula? -CORRECTION - U. dilecta.
5) Prosotas pia? The marginal markings appear to be sufficiently obscure.

[Psyche]

Post 6.

1 & 2. Both are C. marginata.
A good point to note is the distinctive shape of the FW white patch. This is because the FW cell is blue.

3. It is N. beroe though not ssp neon.
The darkeniing is sufficient to render the basal white striae on both wings brownish.

4. HW spot 7 is no darker than the rest. .Udara dilecta.
In U. placidula HW spot 7 is slightly larger, distinctly black ;ground colour dingier grey so spots are faintly white-lined.

5. A difficult one . I think it is just P. nora.
Fleming states spot below the FW midcell band reduced for P. pia (but not always).

TL Seow:cheers:

[Banded Yeoman]

The zig zag flat. :what::what::what:

Sorry to hear about the negatively eventful trip.
I hop you found it to be worth all the trouble!

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you, Seow, for the corrections.

The problem for me was that the d.s.f. of Acytolepis puspa gisca appears to show the same markings.

The N. beroe ssp. is ssp. gythion.

[Psyche]

Thank you, Seow, for the corrections.

The problem for me was that the d.s.f. of Acytolepis puspa gisca appears to show the same markings.

The N. beroe ssp. is ssp. gythion.


I have thought I got it right, but now that you mentioned dsf, I realised I am wrong.
The white patch does varies in A. puspa gisca.
These are correct uppers of A. puspa gisca from Thailand (with underside verification.)

http://www.lycaenidae.gmxhome.de/Lycaenopsis/Acytolepis/puspagisca1.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7457894@N04/8625689994


These are pix of Celatoxia marginata marginata.
The veins across the FW white patch are more distinctly darkened.
The FW black border is very broad.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/CelatoxiaMarginataMarginataMFUpUnAC1.jpg
http://image.digitalarchives.tw/ImageCache/00/56/07/4b.jpg


Based on these images I would think both are A. puspa gisca, though it is tempting to suggest the darker one with wider HW border is C. marginata.

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. On 2nd thought, it more lightly the 2nd pic is C. marginata, as the veins are more distinctly dark & there is is no reason why the HW border will differ unless there are two species here..
The darker blue colouration also strongly indicate the 2nd is a different species. (& conforms with the darker colour of Celatoxia.)
The Malayan ssp splendens have narow borders.
PS2. In fact I am now very certain 1 is A. puspa & 2 is C. marginata.

[Painted Jezebel]

Thanks so much for the additional comments. I must admit that the PS2 was what I had suspected, but was not confident enough to state so directly.

Sorry, but now for the Hesperiidae!
1) A Halpe species. I suspect this is H. pelethronix or H. wantona.

LBJs (I get so confused by these!):
2) Could this be Caltoris kumara moorei?
3) Not sure
4) Not sure, but at least I have the underside as well for this one!
5) Not sure

[Psyche]

Post 11.

A tough series of pix.

1. Halpe probably pelethronix.
Fleming's pix shows pelethronix with poorly defined pale spots on both wings while wantona have much clearer spots.

2. Caltoris probably kumara is right .
Male, very stout built,
Web pix of male kumara lacking except
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6158/6177191038_375263a05b_z.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CaltorisKumara_826_1_Knight.png

Two other without cellspots , but male tend to have only one subapical spot.
http://boldsystems.org/index.php/Taxbrowser_Taxonpage?taxid=386237
http://boldsystems.org/index.php/Taxbrowser_Taxonpage?taxid=348598

3. Caltoris cormasa. Two cellspots, the upper one tiny.
The antenna shows a longer pale area below the club.

4. Caltoris ? cahira female.
Two cellspots upper one as large as lower. Underside HW distinctly darker than forewing.

5. Caltoris likely bromus female..
Two cellspots, the upper tiny as in cormasa. FW spots 2 & 3 soewhat irregular.
Underside HW (left side) not deeper coloured or redbrown.
A C. cormasa female showing FW spotshape & HW underside colour.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-b-kBsIeG7Mg/TvKQcjw893I/AAAAAAAAFB0/xjXU0db0o9Y/s1600/DSC3319Caltoris-sp.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

[Psyche]

No. is a Baoris female.

I keep forgetting about Baoris.
This one is large with more imposing wings ; the antennae are almost wholly dark; FW spot 2 & 3 iregular & crescentic.; 3 subapical spots.
All these indicating it is Baoris.
Since the cellspots are not well-developed I'll go with Baoris oceia.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Sorry, which one? From your comments, No.5?

[Psyche]

Sorry, which one? From your comments, No.5?

Oops! Yes it is No. 5.

eow :Cheers.

[Angiud]

Late, for lack of time and lazyness, come my pictures:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5514/12199067876_b65acddd8a_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12199067876/)
The Jeweled Nawab - Polyura delphis delphis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12199067876/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2824/12199512674_a264c4533e_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12199512674/)
The Opaque Sixline Blue - Nacaduba beroe gythion (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12199512674/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2817/12199600604_1c7c186ee0_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12199600604/)
The Barred Lineblue - Prosotas aluta coelestis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12199600604/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7430/12490352985_e2c2c69144_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490352985/)
Neptis sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490352985/) (Coulmella?)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7414/12490473653_dd5acf75e8_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490473653/)
The Common Gull - Cepora nerissa dapha - DSF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490473653/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3775/12490338575_cf99bd51e0_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490338575/)
The Orange Gull - Cepora iudith lea (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490338575/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7346/12490331535_fc0122cef7_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490331535/)
Suada albolineata or swerga? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490331535/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/12490323805_2e25590fa1_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490323805/)
The Zigzag Flat - Odina decorata (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12490323805/)

[Psyche]

Post 16.

The Neptis is N. magadha.
In particular the the HW basal costal white band is very broad.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720310001.html
ID Correction. It should be a form of Neptis cartica.
In N. magadha the HW discal band have the veins distinctly darkened (not in N. cartica.).
The HW basal costal band is also more prominent in cartica.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720300020.html



Suada swerga is quite variable.
S. swerga swerga from India.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/SuadaSwerga/01SuadaSwerga_KrushnameghKunte_ag601.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/SuadaSwerga/SuadaSwerga_RohanLovalekar_ab499.jpg

Suada swerga suava from Malaya is very distinctive.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WhP0QA3y5Pg/Uo4Mz7sdwnI/AAAAAAAALjg/fGW8e594J8Y/s1600/DSC_0283.JPG

This one from Thailand should be ssp swerga.
http://www.insect-hunter.com/threads/suada-swerga-grass-bob-%E0%B8%9C%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B 9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%8B%E0%B8%A7% E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%8D%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2.465/

The white veining here is not so distinctive as those from Cambodia.
It is probable S. albolineata as it stands is merely a series of variations culminating in the more extreme white veins to the east.
This form have been taken with greater frequency now in Thailand.
It would be interesting to see whether the two forms swerga & ?albolineata are sympatric.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

I had been wondering about the relationship of the two Suada species myself. Nice to see that you also have some doubts.

I also have some Neptis and Pantoporia photos that are still waiting to be placed in their appropriate files, I can not make my mind up about these:

[Psyche]

Post 16.

1. Neptis nata adipala.
The FW cell-bar & cellend spot are particularly narrow. The gap between them is wider than in other species.
FW postdiscal band's lower spot relatively broad.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720190010.html

2. Neptis soma.
The underside colour is unusual.
HW discal band reaches broadly to the costa.
http://old.hkbutterfly.org/n_soma.htm
This diifer from ssp shania.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720180010.html

3. Neptis clinia
In N. clinia the HW discal band encompasses the base of space 3 as a small sliver of white.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720120010.html

4 & 5.
I am still trying to figure P. hordonia & sandaka.
I think they are both male P. hordonia dsf.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you.

Firstly, re 4 & 5, that was my problem, particularly as I have no confirmed photo of P. sandaka to compare with. It was the width of the grey band that confused me. I will place them as P. hordonia, with a '?' after.
No. 3. I suspected N. clinia, but after 1 & 2, I was doubting my own thoughts.
Re 1 & 2, they are the same specimen! The colour on the underside is odd, but I put it down to the lighting conditions at the time. From the upperside, I had suspected N. nata (I have the wrong ssp. on my site and must change it!).

I have a question regarding Antonio's photo of N. cartica. The hindwing discal band does not reach space 7. I thought that it did in N. cartica, but not in N. magadha. Also, vein 6 is darkened and vein 5 partially so (if only just).

[Psyche]

Thank you.


Re 1 & 2, they are the same specimen! The colour on the underside is odd, but I put it down to the lighting conditions at the time. From the upperside, I had suspected N. nata (I have the wrong ssp. on my site and must change it!).

I have a question regarding Antonio's photo of N. cartica. The hindwing discal band does not reach space 7. I thought that it did in N. cartica, but not in N. magadha. Also, vein 6 is darkened and vein 5 partially so (if only just).

I was looking at 1 & 2 for some time wondering are they supposed to be the same?
This was because in 2 the cell-bar & cellend spot are broader.
Since they are the same individual it is Neptis nata.

Regarding Antonio's shot I have initially placed it as N. magadha precisely because the HW discal band did not reach the costa (no white shading even).
However, after switching to N. cartica I began to have some doubts because even in examples of cartica, where the band does not quite reach the costa there are some white dashes.

However, all Thai examples of Thai N. magadha seem to have the HW discal band's veins darkened.
Also the HW postdiscal series of spots are larger & more quadrate .

The broad white basal costal band placed it as one of these two species.
I have not seen the underside of the Malayan ssp. charon of N. magadha.

TL Seow:cheers:
PS . The underside of Antonio's shot is a match for Neptis magadha charon from Malaya.
http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/16/f8/alamshahbird/folder/341145/img_341145_6188177_0

[Angiud]

About that Neptis I have an upperside shot I'll post ASAP (busy time over here..)

[Psyche]

This earlier shot looks good for P. sandaka davidsoni dsf.
The FW postdiscal 'head' has a similar thick neck & the HW band widens sharply at the inner margin.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22263&d=1392335197

DSf P. sandaka davidsoni from Bhutan
http://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/21393107

Not too sure about the 2nd shot. Taken at a different date?
http://www.butterflycircle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22262&d=1392335195

Typical Malayan P. sandaka sandaka.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VJ58MK0t4kg/Une7R4qWGkI/AAAAAAAALd4/mvnIyXXLLF0/s1600/DSC_0127.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N4hHveKQt1A/Une7R-mginI/AAAAAAAALd8/cifccgD7ZOw/s1600/DSC_0131.JPG

This Indian shot captioned as P. sandaka because of the large foot is probably dsf P. hordonia.(Note thick grey band.)
http://www.flutters.org/home/photogallery/plog-content/images/butterfliesbrnbspnbspnbspnymphalidae-the-brush-footed-br/subfamily-limenitidinae-brnbspnbspnbsp-genus-pantoporialasippa--the-lascars-/extra_lascar__1_rajkamal_goswami.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Not too sure about the 2nd shot. Taken at a different date?


Same date and place, though plainly different specimens. The greater marginal orange markings caught my attention.

[Psyche]

The monsoon in India runs from June to September.
This shot of P. sandaka davidsoni taken in April is typical dsf with the greater marginal orange shading.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/balakrishnan_valappil/4366756386/

This shot taken in June should be the wsf.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/PantoporiaHordonia/01PantoporiaHordonia_KrushnameghKunte_aa857.jpg

Note in the sandaka male the 2 notches on the FW cell-bar tends to be obliterated (not always).

I would expect the orange bands in KK to be a tad narrower than that in India as sandaka in Malaya have narrow bands.

The submarginal grey band in hordonia seems to vary a fair bit in width.
The bigfoot/smallfoot difference seem to be more relevant in Sundaland.

After all these I beginning to have some doubt again whether the two shots are P. sandaka.
My resevation is based on the following observations.
1. The grey band is intact & uninterrupted. (orange marginal shading is common in dsf.)
2. The two notches on the FW cell-bar are present.
3. There is no hint or glint of white on the HW to suggest there is a white speculum.(Admittedly the FWS are low on the HWs.)

The plus point is that the broadness of the main band is very suggestive of P. sandaka.

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. Indian P. hordonia hordonia.Male ,Female.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/PantoporiaHordonia/03PantoporiaHordonia_KrushnameghKunte_aa859.jpg
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/PantoporiaHordonia/31PantoporiaHordonia_RohanLovalekar_ab212.jpg
Mating pair of P. sandaka davidsoni. Note male below have the notches on the cell-bar obsolete.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/1a_7/a-28740.jpg

[Psyche]

After comparing with valid reginal shots of male P. hordonia I am now quite convinced both are indeed P. sandaka males.

P. hrdonia from the regions here.
Thailand male, your own.
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_images/linkbuttons/butterflies/nymphalinae/pantoporiahordonia/male.r.jpg
Female.
http://www.norththailandbirding.com/images/large/butterflies/limentidinae/b2560_1.JPG
Malaya male.
http://www.zonacharrua.com/butterflies/Pantoporia%20hordonia%20001a.jpg
Laos male.
http://www.neutron.phys.ethz.ch/Lepidoptera/Nymphalidae/IMG_1728.JPG

These are the normal form (It is probably unwise to call them wsf.)
The dsf if it occur tends to have more marginal orange shading. (perhaps the band may be a little wider.)

The difference becomes obvious in comparison.
The sandaka davidsoni male have a mch broader discal band.
The grey band is narrower with constrictions along the veins.
The FW postdiscal band's 'foot' is much thicker.

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. Examples of the male P. sandaka davidsoni from nearby regions.
Angkor, Cambodia.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Common_Lascar_Butterfly_(Pantoporia_hordonia) _(6725960003).jpg
HongKong. Correction :This pix is actually from Kerala, India.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gi3dw1MEU1o/T3k5UrxosXI/AAAAAAAAAzc/nGHVURANGo8/s1600/Butterfly_Common_Lascar.jpg

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you very much for all the time and trouble you have taken over this confusing matter.

[Psyche]

Thank you very much for all the time and trouble you have taken over this confusing matter.

Not at all. I have wanted to solve this puzzle for some time.
I suspect intermediates occur from time to time.

The male genitalia are similar, & so identification is based on superficial characters alone (unless someone does DNA studies).

The most puzzling is the Taiwanese taxon rihodona as P. hordonia rihodona.
It looks like it could be P. sandaka. There is only one species of Pantoporia there.
http://www.7stareco.org.tw/4road/5678/pd_img/I211-1%E9%87%91%E7%92%B0%E8%9B%BA%E8%9D%B6-%E8%AC%9D%E5%AE%97%E5%AE%87%E6%94%9D.jpg
http://image.digitalarchives.tw/ImageCache/00/6e/07/33.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. This Bulletin of the British Museum by Eliot indicates P. hordonia rihodona occur in HK, Hainan & Taiwan.
Also P. sandakan davidsoni extend to Hainan but is absent from Taiwan.
http://archive.org/stream/bulletinofbritis1415brit#page/34/mode/1up

[moloch]

Wow, love that Odina decorata! What a gorgeous skipper.

The Jeweled Nawab was stunning, Antonio.

Looks like you guys had a great time.

Regards,
David

[Angiud]

With a long delay, I post the upperside of the possible Neptis magadha/cartica, hoping in a solution:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/12894528893_675471c118_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12894528893/)
Unidentified Neptis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12894528893/)

[Psyche]

The FW spotting match that of N. magadha.
The HW band however, have the veins not darkened.

It probably a N. magadhs variant since there is no other match.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720310001.html
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720300010.html

Neptis duryodana has in-between striae & the underside HW costal bar is small.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720110030.html

TL Seow:cheers:

[Angiud]

thanks Seow

:thumbsup:

[Psyche]

It is the Malayan subspecies, Neptis magadha charon.
The veins on the HW discal band are variably & sometimes poorly darkened.
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/alamshahbird/6529520.html

The Yutaka website often do not list Malayan ssp. which are present in southern Thailand.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

There are probably a large number of species found in N. Malaysia that have yet to be formally recorded (by voucher specimen) from S. Thailand. Two guys from Betong on the Malay border recently photographed both Cyrestis maenalis and Athyma assa in that area.

Antonio has also photographed Hasora quadripunctata from Krung Ching last year.

[Angiud]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7404/12893826275_30d1bfea72_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12893826275/)
The Pale Edge Blue - Udara dilecta dilecta (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12893826275/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3736/12894556624_bab8472f44_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12894556624/)
Tailed Jays - Graphium agamennon (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12894556624/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7373/12960437804_25b18a0b60_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12960437804/)
UnID (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12960437804/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2613/12960206635_c703f20d70_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12960206635/)
The Orange-tailed Awl - Bibasis sena sena (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12960206635/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2227/12960662753_ff834519a9_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12960662753/)
The Branded Orange Awlet - Burara oedipodea belesis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12960662753/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2233/12961626244_743a73c28b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12961626244/)
Halpe sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/12961626244/)

[Psyche]

Post 35.

Neptis miah nolana.
Resembles ssp nolana with the broader HW discal band.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720260010.html
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720260020.html

Sovia albipecta
Yutaka put it as Sovia albipectus. (albipectus/albipecta = white breast/chest.
Original designation : Halpe albipectus.
Since Sovia is in the feminine gender it is grammatically correct to alter the specific name to the same gender.
http://www.thaibugs.com/wp-content/gallery/hesperiidae/Sovia%20albipecta.jpg


TL Seow:cheers:

[Angiud]

Sovia albipecta

I realized now that I got this species few months ago at Doi Mae Takrai (Chiang Mai). I understand now why was already familiar to me ;-)

Thank you again Seow :cheers:

[Psyche]

There are probably a large number of species found in N. Malaysia that have yet to be formally recorded (by voucher specimen) from S. Thailand. Two guys from Betong on the Malay border recently photographed both Cyrestis maenalis and Athyma assa in that area.
.

Taxon assa used to be the Sumatran ssp of A. cama.
Does this mean all the Sundanian representatives of A. cama are now A. assa.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/se-asianbutterfly/assakb.html

TL Seow:cheers:

[Peacock Royal]

:thumbsup: Antonio, beautiful skipper shots.
Will like to visit KKNP again .

[Angiud]

I'll go back there the end of March, first of April.

Should be peak time for butterfly crowds


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyXzyreM5zU

[Angiud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iypHZmuYOtU

[Great Mormon]

butterfly heaven!

[Painted Jezebel]

Taxon assa used to be the Sumatran ssp of A. cama.
Does this mean all the Sundanian representatives of A. cama are now A. assa.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/se-asianbutterfly/assakb.html

TL Seow:cheers:

Good question. I don't know, but I would imagine that that is the thought of some. I, myself, questioned to name when I saw it expecting it to be A. cama gynea, but the email has now been deleted, and I can not remember it all, apart from Sympatry came into it so A. assa had to be seperated from A. cama (in Borneo, I think).

Sorry, I can not give a proper answer. I would continue to use A. cama for Malaysian specimens as in C&P4 until a paper is published, if it has not already been so.

[Psyche]

Good question. I don't know, but I would imagine that that is the thought of some. I, myself, questioned to name when I saw it expecting it to be A. cama gynea, but the email has now been deleted, and I can not remember it all, apart from Sympatry came into it so A. assa had to be seperated from A. cama (in Borneo, I think).

Sorry, I can not give a proper answer. I would continue to use A. cama for Malaysian specimens as in C&P4 until a paper is published, if it has not already been so.


The continental forms of A. cama are quite different from the Sundanian forms so there may be ground for separation.
However, I would expect a lot of intermediates in your area.
Tsukada & Kaneko named A. assa pseudocama in 1985 from Borneo.
Eliot made no mention of any name change in his 2006 & earlier reviews (He did comment many of Tsukada's namechanges, eg Lexias bangkana. new ssp of L dirtea, & pardalis for Singapore are unjustified.)

TL Seow:cheers: