Doi Mae Takhrai National Park, Thailand 3 - 4 Nov 2013

[Peacock Royal]

Antonio, Les, LC and I went to the northern part of Thailand for butterfly-hunting and photographing. We were based at the Tharnthong Lodge for two days, exploring some areas around the Doi Mae Takhrai National Park.
Sorry, I am not a diehard fan of FB - I prefer to post on the BC forums. Let me begin with some skipper shots taken on 3 and 4 Nov.
Reference : Butterflies of Thailand, Pisuth Ek-Amnuay, 2nd Edition, 2012.

MT (Mae Takhrai) MT1. Not sure what this is - need help !
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH_8553-ufo_zps428cd86b-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH_8553-ufo_zps428cd86b-1.jpg.html)

MT2. Celaenorrhinus dhanada affinis (The Himalayan Yellow-banded Flat) ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8624-Celaenorrhinus-dhanada-affinis-Himalayan-Yellow-banded-Flat_zps60628564-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8624-Celaenorrhinus-dhanada-affinis-Himalayan-Yellow-banded-Flat_zps60628564-1.jpg.html)

MT3. Pelopidas assamensis (The Great Swift)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8550-Pelopidas-assamensis-The-Great-Swift_zps9e081abd-1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8550-Pelopidas-assamensis-The-Great-Swift_zps9e081abd-1.jpg.html)

MT4. Notocrypta curvifascia curvifascia (The Restricted Demon)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8855-Notocrypta-curvifascia-curvifascia-Restricted-Demon_zps44cef64a.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8855-Notocrypta-curvifascia-curvifascia-Restricted-Demon_zps44cef64a.jpg.html)

MT5a. Gerosis sinica narada (The Extensive White Flat)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8803-Gerosis-sinica-narada_zps244640d0.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8803-Gerosis-sinica-narada_zps244640d0.jpg.html)

MT5b. Gerosis sinica narada (The Extensive White Flat)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8797GerosissinicanaradaTheExtensiveWhiteFlat_zp s271a6ad3.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8797GerosissinicanaradaTheExtensiveWhiteFlat_zp s271a6ad3.jpg.html)

MT6. Creteus cyrina cyrina (The Nonsuch Palmer)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8569-Creteus-cyrina-cyrina-The-Nonsuch-Palmer_zpsc3dd10d1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8569-Creteus-cyrina-cyrina-The-Nonsuch-Palmer_zpsc3dd10d1.jpg.html)

MT7. Sovia albipecta (The Silver-breast Ace)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8689-SoviaalbipectaSilver-brerastAce_zps740dd693.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8689-SoviaalbipectaSilver-brerastAce_zps740dd693.jpg.html)

More to come ....

[bluefin]

Yes Yes More More ;P

[Angiud]

Wow so fast. I'm still travelling...

[Peacock Royal]

Raining this morning, so could only do some iding work and organise the photos.
Antonio,it is a long journey home - please drive carefull, don't get distracted by butts along the road.
Slowly leh, find it very hard to id some of the species.

[Peacock Royal]

MT8. Burara harisa harisa (Common Orange Awlet) ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8664BuraraharissharisaCommonOrangeAwlet_zps845b 3f30.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8664BuraraharissharisaCommonOrangeAwlet_zps845b 3f30.jpg.html)

MT9. Iton semamora semamora(The Common Wight)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8452-Iton-semamora-semamora-The-Common-Wight_zpse2ad2bc7.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8452-Iton-semamora-semamora-The-Common-Wight_zpse2ad2bc7.jpg.html)

MT10. Tanaecia jahnu (The Plain Earl)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH_8472TanaeciajahnuThePlainEarl_zps68978885.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH_8472TanaeciajahnuThePlainEarl_zps68978885.jpg. html)

MT11. Ancema blanka minturna (The Silver Royal)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8482AncemablankaminturnaTheSilverRoyal_zps9d69d 70e.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8482AncemablankaminturnaTheSilverRoyal_zps9d69d 70e.jpg.html)

MT12. Curetis acuta dentata (The Angled Sunbeam)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8501CuretisacutadentataTheAngledSunbeam_zps1012 80e3.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8501CuretisacutadentataTheAngledSunbeam_zps1012 80e3.jpg.html)

MT13. Pantoporia hordonia hordonia (The Common Lascar) ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8457-Pantoporia-hordonia-hordonia-The-Common-Lascar_zpsf27e201b.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8457-Pantoporia-hordonia-hordonia-The-Common-Lascar_zpsf27e201b.jpg.html)

MT14a. Athyma nefte asita (The Colour Sergeant) [Correction : It should be Athyma selenophora bahula]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8528-The-Colour-Sergeant_zps1c3079d2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8528-The-Colour-Sergeant_zps1c3079d2.jpg.html)

MT14b.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH_8531-Athyma-nefte-asita-The-Colour-Sergeant_zpsfbafe24a.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH_8531-Athyma-nefte-asita-The-Colour-Sergeant_zpsfbafe24a.jpg.html)

[Peacock Royal]

MT15. Chersonesia intermedia intermedia (The Intermediate Maplet)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8504-Chersonesia-intermedia-intermedia-The-Intermediate-Maplet_zps6277caf1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8504-Chersonesia-intermedia-intermedia-The-Intermediate-Maplet_zps6277caf1.jpg.html)

MT16. Abisara fylla fylla (The Dark Judy)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH_8599-Abisara-fylla-fylla-The-Dark-Judy_zpsf8d72722.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH_8599-Abisara-fylla-fylla-The-Dark-Judy_zpsf8d72722.jpg.html)

MT17. Heliophorus indicus (The Indian Purple Sapphire)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8816HeliophorusilanolusTheIndianPurpleSapphire_ zps14c592b1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8816HeliophorusilanolusTheIndianPurpleSapphire_ zps14c592b1.jpg.html)

MT18. Una usta usta (The Singleton)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8826-Una-usta-usta-The-Singleton_zps9ba95c87.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8826-Una-usta-usta-The-Singleton_zps9ba95c87.jpg.html)

MT19. Prioneris thestylis thestylis (The Spotted Sawtooth)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8634-Prioneris-thestylis-thestylis-The-Spotted-Sawtooth_zps2846f5f2.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8634-Prioneris-thestylis-thestylis-The-Spotted-Sawtooth_zps2846f5f2.jpg.html)

MT20. Elymnias malelas malelas (The Spotted Palmfly)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8834ElymniasmalelasmalelasTheSpottedPalmfly_zps c55b0a8a.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8834ElymniasmalelasmalelasTheSpottedPalmfly_zps c55b0a8a.jpg.html)

MT21. Elymnias hypermnestra meridionalis (The Common Palmfly)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8871-Elymnias-hypermnestra-meridionalis-The-Common-Palmfly_zps085c9359.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8871-Elymnias-hypermnestra-meridionalis-The-Common-Palmfly_zps085c9359.jpg.html)

MT22. Delias acalis pyramus (The Red-breast Jezebel)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8821-Delias-acalis-pyramus-Red-breast-Jezebel_zps250e459f.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8821-Delias-acalis-pyramus-Red-breast-Jezebel_zps250e459f.jpg.html)

[Banded Yeoman]

Every picture had me drooling!! :cheers:
Congrats on getting the spotted sawtooth on a flower! I've never seen that before. :)


The nonsuch palmer is intriguing-what is the use of having so much hair on its legs?

[Great Mormon]

Fantastic shots Federick! That Nonsuch Palmer certainly looks very unique with the robust looking legs. And the angled sunbeam look very unique too!

[Cruiser]

could not agreed more with Anthony above and the legs are very 'hairy har' :-)

[Peacock Royal]

Yes, I have never seen any skipper with hairy front legs before - so this Nonsuch Palmer gave us some excitement.

MT23. Jamides alecto (The Metallic Caerulean)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8845Jamidesalecto_zps1f79c6ce.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8845Jamidesalecto_zps1f79c6ce.jpg.html)

MT24. Eurema simulatrix sarinoides
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8838-Eurema-simulatrix-sarinoides_zps04e28c3d.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8838-Eurema-simulatrix-sarinoides_zps04e28c3d.jpg.html)

MT25. Charaxes aristogiton aristogiton (The Scarce Tawny Rajah)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8729-Charaxes-aristogiton-aristogiton-The-Scarce-Tawny-Rajah_zps3b5c4e2e.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8729-Charaxes-aristogiton-aristogiton-The-Scarce-Tawny-Rajah_zps3b5c4e2e.jpg.html)

MT26. Charaxes solon sulphureus (The Black Rajah)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8714-Charaxes-solon-sulphureus-The-Black-Rajah_zps0404a152.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8714-Charaxes-solon-sulphureus-The-Black-Rajah_zps0404a152.jpg.html)

MT27a. Papilio alcmenor alcmenor (The Redbreast)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8769-Papilio-alcmenor-alcmenor-The-Redbreast_zps37dd607c.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8769-Papilio-alcmenor-alcmenor-The-Redbreast_zps37dd607c.jpg.html)

MT27b.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8739-Papilio-alcmenor-alcmenor-The-Redbreast_zps502a920f.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8739-Papilio-alcmenor-alcmenor-The-Redbreast_zps502a920f.jpg.html)

MT28. Mycalesis adamsoni (The Watson's Bushbrown)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8848MycalesisfranciscasanatanaLilacineBushbrown _zps3f21cba1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8848MycalesisfranciscasanatanaLilacineBushbrown _zps3f21cba1.jpg.html)

MT29. Lethe confusa confusa (The Banded Treebrown)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8846Lethe-confusaconfusaTheBandedTreebrown_zps1ce57f74.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8846Lethe-confusaconfusaTheBandedTreebrown_zps1ce57f74.jpg.h tml)

[Glorious Begum]

You are fast, Federick.

Castalius rosimon rosimon (Common Pierrot)

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334199.jpg


Cethosia biblis biblis (The Red Lacewing)

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334186.jpg

Lamproptera meges virescens(Green Dragontail)

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334175.jpg

Zemeros flegyas allica (The Common Punchinello)

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334187.jpg

Papilio alcmenor alcmenor (The Redbreast)

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334205.jpg

Artogeia canidia canidia (The indian Cabbage White)

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334211.jpg

[Glorious Begum]

Not sure

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334196.jpg


Not sure which King

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334216.jpg


Not sure

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334185.jpg


Not sure

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334206.jpg


Not sure

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334214.jpg

[Elbowed Pierrot]

envy from every BC member. the hairs on that bugger is :what:

[Silverstreak]

Lovely !!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsu p:

[Psyche]

MT1 Onryza siamica . Very worn; note FW large subapical hyaline spots & dark band: HW round cellend mark; large dark antennae.
http://old.hkbutterfly.org/fieldtr/ChiangMai06/_W3F7658%20copy.jpg

MT2 & 8 correct.

MT14 Athyma selenophora.

Post 12.
1 Polyura athamas athamas . Note FW spot out of alignment with band ( aligned in P. arja.)
2. Thauria lathyi. FW white band broad & reaches tornus broadly ( usually narrows/dislocated towards tornus in aliris)
Correction Update: Premise incorrect. This appeared to be T. aliris.
3. Ypthima baldus baldus dsf. Buff ground ;HW dark bands further apart in lower 1/2;( roughly parallel in Y. singorensis.)
4. Pelopidas assamensis. Antennae white-banded; white spots ; typical HW spotting.
5. Unkana ambasa. (added.)

TL Seow: Cheers.

[Painted Jezebel]

Just arrived back, Antonio still travelling. I will get to start working on the photos in due course. Our stop off on the way down was very disappointing!

Seow, I thought the Ypthima was Y. lisandra bara.

Thank you for confiming Thauria lathyi gabrieli. I thought it was that but was not sure. I had no idea about Onryza siamica, damn, I think I may have missed it thinking 'Halpe'!

LC, your last skipper in post #12 is Unkana ambasa attina.

[Painted Jezebel]

Fed, Seow is correct with the Athyma selenophora bahula.

I am sure you did get the Athyma nefte asita male. It is the one with orange/red subapical spots and a white broken cell stripe on the forewing. (A. cama cama has a reddish cell stripe with the red subapical spots!)

[Psyche]

I thought the Ypthima was Y. lisandra bara.



In Ypthima lisandra, the two ocelli in space 1b are in line with ocelli 2 & 3, thats it, all four lower ocelli are in a straight line.

I suppose it is the dry cool season in the north now.

TL Seow: Cheers.

[Glorious Begum]

Thank you Dr Seow and Les for the IDs.

This is the upper side of MT1

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153348568.jpg

[Glorious Begum]

A few more to go.

Pseudocoladenia dan fabia (The Fulvous Flat)

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334188.jpg

Is this the same or Pseudocoladenia dan dhyana ?

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334179.jpg

Is this Hasora proxissima siamica (The Siamese Awl) ?

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334192.jpg


Acytolepis puspa gisca (The Common Hedge Blue), is the sub-species correct ?

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334174.jpg


Same Curetis acuta dentata (The Angled Sunbeam) ?

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334176.jpg


Skipper ?

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/153334193.jpg

[Peacock Royal]

Thanks Dr Seow and Les for correcting the id of MT14.

[moloch]

Simply fantastic, Federick and Lc! So many beautiful shots of different species.

It was interesting to see your photo of Creteus cyrina cyrina. I saw that species a couple of years ago above the headquarters of Mt. Kinabalu. It must be a wide-ranging montane species. They look so odd with those "hairy" legs.

The Black Raja was very nice. Did you see more than one?

[Glorious Begum]

David, there were couple of Black Rajah. It is quite common there.

[Commander]

The Black Rajah is pretty common up in Thailand and India, from the number of posts that I see on the Internet. It's just Singapore that's Black Rajah-deprived. :cry:

[Angiud]

Thailand is only locally common, Going South become less common

[Painted Jezebel]

In Ypthima lisandra, the two ocelli in space 1b are in line with ocelli 2 & 3, thats it, all four lower ocelli are in a straight line.

I suppose it is the dry cool season in the north now.

TL Seow: Cheers.

Thanks. Yes, I can see the difference. The only thing was that I only saw wet season forms of other Satyrinae during our stay, .... I think!

[Psyche]

[/I].

Thank you for confiming Thauria lathyi gabrieli. I thought it was that but was not sure. I had no idea about Onryza siamica, damn, I think I may have missed it thinking 'Halpe'!

.

Oops here. The premise stated is totally incorrect since both species have the white band broad towards the tornus beneath .
The redbrown band between the ocelli is rectangular in T. lathyi, so this appeared to be T. aliris.
See Doi Suthep thread.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Psyche]

1. Likely the same subspecies. ssp dhyana have more deeply notched cell spot.

2. Hasora vitta. Hasora proxissima lacks the FW subapical spot.

4. Curetis bulis. HW postdiscal band (which continues from the FW) is short , the mark in space 6 is large but that in space 5 below is tucked in & narrow (represented by a few dots here.).
The same marks in C acuta are in line & usually continus linearly downwards parallel to the submarginal marks.
See-thru shows the orange is much restricted as in C. bulis.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc3/84060010.html

5.Probably Halpe zola.
I can't differentiate between H. zola & zema at the moment. H. zola is said to be fairly common up north.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

5.Probably Halpe zola.
I can't differentiate between H. zola & zema at the moment. H. zola is said to be fairly common up north.

TL Seow:cheers:

Unforunately, no-one else can either! I think H. zola but I can not be sure. Are they different species? Personally, I am not sure.

It is similar to the recent paper regarding Euthalia phemius and E. ipona. I do not agree with their comments, for a huge number of reasons. Entirely personal.

[Glorious Begum]

Thank you Dr Seow. :cheers:

[Psyche]

Unforunately, no-one else can either! I think H. zola but I can not be sure. Are they different species? Personally, I am not sure.

It is similar to the recent paper regarding Euthalia phemius and E. ipona. I do not agree with their comments, for a huge number of reasons. Entirely personal.

The males of H. zema & zola have different genitalia, while phemius & ipona have similar ones, I believed.

Here is a hypothetical situation to think about.
Consider Halpe pelethronix ( P ) and H. wantona ( W ).
The males can be diiferentiated by their genitalia but the females not by any mean as stated in C&P4. (DNA analysis not done yet).

Since the male genitalial feature will be determined by the male sex chromosome any mating will result in a specific outcome.
Let us call the common female C.

If P mates with C , all male offsprings will be P & all females will be C.
IF W mates with C, all male offsprings will be W & all females will be C.

Can P & W still be considered separate species despite having different genitalia ?

On an aside note, I find it amazing that Papilio alcmenor is called Redbreast in Thailand.
It would appeared that the namer is only familiar with the first part of the name.:hmmm:

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

This is probably not the place for a lengthy discussion re DNA and genitalia examinations. We still have much to learn about DNA, it has only been around for 60 years and understood, partially, much less.

Regarding P. alcmenor, Redbreast has long been the common name for the species. Blame the British (in India I think), they are the ones who named it as such! I think it reminded them of the small european bird, the robin, which is affectionately called Robin Redbreast.

[Painted Jezebel]

A couple of questions regarding earlier photos.

Re MT8, I wondered if it was Burara oedipodea belesis rather than B. harisa harisa. Is there a way to distinguish the two by undersides only?
Re MT15. I believe the ssp. should be Chersonesia intermedia rahrioides, with is the northern ssp. Pisuth has it upgraded to a seperate species, C. rahrioides, but Yutaka has not changed it. Not sure who is correct.

[Painted Jezebel]

A few from me just to confirm I was there.:grin2: Any terrible pictures can be put down to the idiot behind the camera, anything that has come out well is down to the improved camera I was temporarily using, as mine broke 2 days before the trip.

A huge thanks to Antonio for allowing me use of his 7D.

LD1 Curetis acuta dentata (male)
LD2 Pelopidas assamensis (upperside)
LD3 Elymnias patna patnoides (male)
LD4 Mooreana trichoneura pralaya - note the wider yellow hindwing markings to that found in Singapore.
LD5 & 6 Ypthima baldus baldus? - A d.s.f. has been shown on this thread, but this appears to be a w.s.f. Also, four hindwing spots on the upperside seem more than usual!

[Psyche]

I thought it was Papilio bootes which was the original Redbreast,

MT8. B. oedipodea can be separated thus: solid orange discal patch; shorter curved vein 8 with wide space 8.; orange cilia to nearly vein 7.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/BuraraOedipodea/BuraraOedipodea_KrushnameghKunte_ai919.jpg

LD 5 & 6 : Looks good for baldus ; the dark bands have the same curves & the underside spotting typical.

TL Seow : Cheers.

[Painted Jezebel]

P. bootes is the Tailed Redbreast, at least according to here and India.

Thank you for the explaination re the two Burara species.

May I humbly ask one thing, can you please say whether you are talking about fore or hind wings. When you say vein 8, it is obviously forewing, but with lower numbered veins, it can, at times, be rather confusing.

[Psyche]

P. bootes is the Tailed Redbreast, at least according to here and India.

Thank you for the explaination re the two Burara species.

May I humbly ask one thing, can you please say whether you are talking about fore or hind wings. When you say vein 8, it is obviously forewing, but with lower numbered veins, it can, at times, be rather confusing.

It is the hindwing. There is a marked difference in the 2 species in the shape of HW vein 8 & the marginal space 8.

TL Cheers.

[Painted Jezebel]

It is the hindwing. There is a marked difference in the 2 species in the shape of HW vein 8 & the marginal space 8.

TL Cheers.

Absolutely right. I have just done a check of my confirmed B. oedipodea and the one we photographed in CM. The difference in shape is obvious when compared, yet I do not find it mentioned in the resources I have. I must try and remember this, it is so clear.

And yes, oops, I forgot that the hindwing goes up to vein 8, why I thought it was only v. 7, I have no idea.

[Psyche]

A couple of questions regarding earlier photos.

Re MT15. I believe the ssp. should be Chersonesia intermedia rahrioides, with is the northern ssp. Pisuth has it upgraded to a seperate species, C. rahrioides, but Yutaka has not changed it. Not sure who is correct.

Funet have them as separate species as well.

In the past they may be the continental & Sundanian siblings of one species.
C. rahrioides have the HW postdiscal band very broad; & black marginal spots at the tooth & tornus.

They are worthy of being treated as distinct species.
The single record of C. intermedia in South Vietnam may be in error.

The same cannot be said of Rohana parisatis & tonkiniana.
These two baffled me completely.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Angiud]

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2821/10878144333_1d1fe84ff9_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878144333/)
The Green Dragontail - Lamproptera meges virescens (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878144333/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7390/10878255064_b43b805112_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878255064/)
The Angled Sunbeam - Curetis acuta dentata (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878255064/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7398/10878415683_bbdf0a3f45_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878415683/)
The Common Tit - Hypolycaena erylus himavantus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878415683/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3719/10878409693_07e882810b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878409693/)
The Staff Sergeant - Athyma selenophora bahula (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878409693/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3813/10878121856_391967b50f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878121856/)
The Staff Sergeant - Underside (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878121856/)

[Angiud]

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5481/10878851414_a68135d64b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878851414/)
The Great Swift - Pelopidas assamensis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878851414/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3761/10878833314_a60ab93d60_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878833314/)
The Siamese Brush Ace - Onryza siamica (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878833314/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2839/10878844484_2cfb15e4f5_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878844484/)
The Nonsuch Palmer - Creteus cyrina cyrina (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878844484/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3746/10878692105_9ed7f8f05d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878692105/)
The Red Lacewing - Cetosia biblis biblis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878692105/)

Just one, for David ;-)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3749/10878104195_4caee6a4d5_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878104195/)
The Common Striped Skink - Scincidae: Lipinia vittigera (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10878104195/)

and a strange parasitic plant:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7311/10879543943_6903fae8be_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10879543943/)
Balanophora cfr. fungosa (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10879543943/)

[Painted Jezebel]

I must admit to have some problems regarding Onryza siamica (not ochraceous enough to me), but without an obvious substitute, I'll label mine as such.

Five remaining photos from this location, ids uncertain. I have had a go, but am expecting some alterations to be needed!:)

LD7) Upperside only, I think this may be of Sovia albipecta, taken at approx same time! - Confirmed.
LD8) Celatoxia lavendularis limbata? - CORRECTION - Genus is Celastrina!
LD9) Acytolepis puspa gisca? - Confirmed
LD10) Aeromachus dubius impha?
LD11) Mycalesis sp. As far as I can go! - Mycalesis perseus tabitha d.s.f. (Thank you, Seow)

[moloch]

Beautiful photos, guys. They are a real feast for the eyes with so many seldom posted species or unusual races. I wish that I could have been along as well!

Thanks, Antonio, for the skink shot. Looks very colourful. I assume that it was small? The parasitic plant was also interesting with its strange flowers.

[Psyche]

Post 17.

LD 7 looks right.

LD 8 C. lavendularis has a darker ground than most with the spots white-lined; legs seem to broader black bands. Is it now in Celatoxia?
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/CelastrinaLavendularis/CelastrinaLavendularis_MilindBhakare_aq900.jpg

LD 9 As it is . A lilacea has evenly sized spots & basal space 7 spot is round.

LD 10 Looks like A jhora. Less abrupt club & darker abdominal bands.
Malaya
http://m5.i.pbase.com/g3/98/670198/2/115028315.mAChSWvl.jpg
HK
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2433/3760897423_cd3ed2ac63_z.jpg
Dubious one.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/AeromachusDubius/02AeromachusDubius_KrushnameghKunte_aa892.jpg

LD 11. Mycalesis perseus dsf. :HW ocelli arranged in a curve; ocelli 2 & 3 aligned well off from the two in space 1b.

TL Seow : Cheers.

[Painted Jezebel]

Post 17.
LD 8 C. lavendularis has a darker ground than most with the spots white-lined; legs seem to broader black bands. Is it now in Celatoxia?
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TL Seow : Cheers.

Idiot that I am again! Celastrina not Celatoxia. I seriously think my mind is going ga-ga!

[Painted Jezebel]

Post 17.

LD 10 Looks like A jhora. Less abrupt club & darker abdominal bands.
Malaya


A.jhora is unknown in Thailand. May be looked for in southern peninsular Thailand, but surely not in Chiang Mai!

[Psyche]

A.jhora is unknown in Thailand. May be looked for in southern peninsular Thailand, but surely not in Chiang Mai!

Aeromachus jhora.
Type location Assam
Not uncommon in Malaya (Fraser's Hill) & HongKong.
From HongKong.
http://images5.fotop.net/albums5/tommychan/hong_kong_butterfly/Aeromachus_jhora_1.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2670/3761698748_5b5b976dec_z.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

[Peacock Royal]

One more shot from me - just want to confirm the id.

MT30. Is this Petrelaea dana dana (Dingy Line Blue ) ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/federickho/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8829-PetrelaeadanadanaDingyLineBlueTBC_zps16330113.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/federickho/media/Mae%20Takhrai%20National%20Park%20Thailand/HFH8829-PetrelaeadanadanaDingyLineBlueTBC_zps16330113.jpg. html)

[Psyche]

Post 42.
CD 8 . C. lavendularis is of course confirmed.
CD 10. This is rather tricky as the Aeromachus spp. all looks rather similar. Needs a one on one comparison.

Post 48.
Petrelaea dana is right. A minor variant here with an extra spot darkened.

TL Seow : Cheers.

[Psyche]

CD 10. This is most lkely to be Aeromachus dubius.

The jhora & dubius seems to be terribly mixed up.
This example from HK ID'ed as jhora is a match, but all examples from HK are probably dubius judging from Yutaka distribution data.
http://www.pbase.com/image/115028315

These examples from Fraser's Hill were ID'ed by me as pygmaeus due to the apparent lack of the apiculus, but pygmaeus is not recorded south of Kedawi.
A. jhora is noted to be not uncoomon in the hills. These are A jhora.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/moloch05/Malaysia/Frasers%20Hill/Mar2012%20800/skipper.jpg
http://dashwolfe.smugmug.com/Travel/Frasers-Hill-07-10082011/i-GZvkmQX/3/L/IMG_4092-L.jpg
The real pygmaeus should look like this.
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/media_images/AeromachusPygmaeus/thumb/th_40AeromachusPygmaeusVedwatiPadwal_aa050.jpg

A. dubius diifers from A. jhora in more obscure markings, more ronded wings & the apiculus begining from the thickest part of the club. (Quite hard to imagine what it looks like but I think it gives the tip an offset look.)

TL Sewo : Cheers.

[Painted Jezebel]

CD 10.
The jhora & dubius seems to be terribly mixed up.


I agree entirely. I have been looking at my photos of both(?) for most of the evening, and I have got very confused (not unusual). I have them all labelled at the moment under A. dubius, but I am not sure.

[Angiud]

My last groups of butterflies from this nice location:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2811/10881296575_128381c59e_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10881296575/)
The Common Orange Awlet - Burara harisa harisa (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10881296575/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5525/10881437794_e8175f7d64_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10881437794/)
The Plain Banded Awl - Hasora vitta indica (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10881437794/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3719/10881327306_5b097d67d1_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10881327306/)
The Long-banded Ace - Halpe zola zola (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10881327306/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3720/10937830233_2b151cd04c_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937830233/)
The Silver-breast Ace - Sovia albipecta (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937830233/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5544/10938449926_95b1f8e4be_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938449926/)
The Extensive White Flat - Gerosis sinica narada (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938449926/)

[Angiud]

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3687/10937713474_8f61bee597_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937713474/)
The Redbreast - Papilio alcmenor alcmenor (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937713474/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5480/10937863093_e092956975_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937863093/)
The Redbreast - Upperside (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937863093/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5512/10937636976_e95be8f43f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937636976/)
The Black Rajah - Charaxes solon sulphureus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937636976/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2818/10881318316_5481317e5f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10881318316/)
The Spotted Sawtooth - Prioneris thestylis thestylis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10881318316/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7343/10938523224_ffde20d978_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938523224/)
The Hill Grass Yellow - Eurema simulatrix sarinoides (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938523224/)

[Angiud]

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5484/10937556635_297ef6cae2_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937556635/)
The Singleton - Una usta usta (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10937556635/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/10938428626_6e0a632e8f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938428626/)
The Common Hedge Blue - Acytolepis puspa gisca (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938428626/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7390/10938651923_5fe99fda22_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938651923/)
The Larger Harlequin - Taxila haquinus berthae? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938651923/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/10938630933_74af898699_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938630933/)
The Watson's Bushbrown - Mycalesis adamsoni (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/10938630933/)

[Banded Yeoman]

All of the shots are absolutely stunning. :cheers:

So many interesting butterflies. It must have been a wonderful trip!

[Peacock Royal]

Wow, you did get a shot of the Harlequin.
Beautiful and excellent shot of the Watson's Bushbrown.