Koh Phangan 2013

[Angiud]

Incredible, but this is my first outing of the 2013 (in KPG).

Dry, hot and not so busy. Just 2 pics worth the nomination:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8377/8581099529_425842148f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8581099529/)
The White Lineblue - Nacaduba angusta kerriana (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8581099529/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8109/8581082555_494ac7371f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8581082555/)
The Vinous Oakblue ?? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8581082555/)
Absolutely not sure about the ID. Big size (same as a centaurus).

[Psyche]

It should be correctly A. athada although it looks suspiciously like an A. silhetensis with fat spots 6 & 7.
However, C&P4 does show athada with these 2 spots sinuous.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Angiud]

Thanks Seow, could be silhetensis too. :thinking:

2 new finds in a dry and empty KPG:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8380/8585091100_a966551d30_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8585091100/)
Arhopala sp. 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8585091100/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8100/8584002303_d7f08f5e3a_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8584002303/)
Arhopala sp. 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8584002303/)

Both medium size.

[Psyche]

Post 3.

1. A. ariana.
It is either A. ariana or elopura but A. elopura has very poorly contrated spots/markings.

2. Likely A. atosia.
It is either A. atosia or lurida, but atosia has poorly contrasted spots, & spot 4 & 5 staggered (not in line.).

TL Seow:cheers:

[Angiud]

After a long time inactive in my home island, I went today for a 2 hours trek on a poor secondary forest area, just to come back with a not so common species, my first for KPG

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5469/8800985576_23d614ca30_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8800985576/)
The Colour Sergeant - Athyma nefte subrata, female (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/8800985576/)

[Angiud]

Again loooong time between exits, but today, bad weather, windy and boooooring I was out again for a couple of hours, but the goddess of the forest has been magnanimous:

In order:
+ 2 for Phangan
+ 1 for Samui-Phangan
A strange unidentified Arhopala
A long time not seen rarity

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/9107239338_bfaaed3415_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9107239338/)
The Common Yeoman- Cirrochroa tyche rotundata (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9107239338/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2812/9104948005_383bbe3aba_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9104948005/)
The Tawny Rajah - Charaxes bernadus crepax (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9104948005/)

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9104951241_c35f6b3eb9_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9104951241/)
The Columbine - Stiboges nymphidia nymphidia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9104951241/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5514/9104951957_66ed32a677_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9104951957/)
Arhopala sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9104951957/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2813/9104948957_298e2c6b12_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9104948957/)
The Emerald - Cyaniriodes libna andersonii (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9104948957/)

[Commander]

Good catch! First time seeing the Stiboges​ puddling. Most of the time, it's under a leaf!

[Psyche]

Post 6.

The Arhopala is aberrant, but is otherwise the common A. atosia.

TL Seow:cheers:

[moloch]

Lovely photos, Antonio. Looks like the year has been slow but hopefully things are picking up for you.

Regards,
David

[Painted Jezebel]

Congrats on the Stiboges,:gbounce:. I will have to update my site. I knew your other +1's would eventually be found on KPN! And lovely to see the Emerald again, I, too, have not seen it for a couple of years.

I have not been out for a while either, but I know I must. I just keep waiting for the weather to improve, but today looks just as windy as the last two weeks (and cloudy as well)!:thumbsdow

[Angiud]

Today a +2 for Koh Phangan, not illustrated because medium quality shots:

The Commander - Moduza procis milonia
The Banded Marquis - Euthalia teuta gupta
and my first KPG Judy, not sure what, fast disappeared in the forest

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5443/9114541772_5b7e87a789_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9114541772/)
The Larger Harlequin - Taxila haquinus haquinus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9114541772/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/9112320515_5677022ce2_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9112320515/)
The Common Posy - Drupadia ravindra moorei (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9112320515/)\

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7345/9112323017_6a35d7c820_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9112323017/)
5 Bluebottle - common butterfly, not so common to see many of them puddling in KPG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9112323017/)

[Bluebottle]

I think you have been ++ non-stop :)
Like the posy shot :thumbsup:

[Angiud]

Today a couple of hours in the morning, same location, more+++!

+ 3 for KPG, +2 (probably) for my Thailand, + 1 for Samui-Phangan list!


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3785/9133308722_3206407e3e_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9133308722/)
Deramas sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9133308722/) It's not clear to me, I need help...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7307/9131095729_6ee4d69260_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9131095729/)
The Magnificent Oakblue - Arhopala anthelus graham (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9131095729/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/9133305868_ed80c8f1fb_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9133305868/)
The Violet Awl - Hasora leucospila leucospila (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9133305868/)

[Painted Jezebel]

I refuse to believe you are on KPG!:grin2: Have you found a new location to visit on the Island?

Magnificent Oakblue!!! Fantastic, I know I have never seen that here, can't miss it, can you.

I think you have a second +1 for our Archipelago. The Deramas species looks like a female to me owing to the rounded shape of the forewing. If so, it can not be D. nolens pasteuri, which I have found on Samui, and must be D. livens evansi, owing to the lack of an orange crown to a black tornal spot on the hindwing.

I'll be very interested in any comment Seow may like to make on this one.

[Angiud]

You know the location, a little farther (1km) from the place you saw the Simiskina.

Do you want to come with me tomorrow?

:whistle:

[moloch]

Wonderful photos, Antonio. Looks like you have finding a number of interesting species this year.

Regards,
David

[Painted Jezebel]

You know the location, a little farther (1km) from the place you saw the Simiskina.

Do you want to come with me tomorrow?

:whistle:

Can't do tomorrrow or Thursday ( is today Tuesday?, I have lost track, I hope it is). How about Friday.

[Psyche]

I think you have a second +1 for our Archipelago. The Deramas species looks like a female to me owing to the rounded shape of the forewing. If so, it can not be D. nolens pasteuri, which I have found on Samui, and must be D. livens evansi, owing to the lack of an orange crown to a black tornal spot on the hindwing.

I'll be very interested in any comment Seow may like to make on this one.

The female Deramas does fit the description of D. livens very well.
The underside is a rich reddish to purple brown & the tornal orange is practically obsolete.

TL Seow:cheers::cheers:

[Angiud]

Thank you, Seow.

Today back on the location:

nothing :cry::cry:

[Painted Jezebel]

Today back on the location:

nothing :cry::cry:

Don't say that! I coming over on Friday!!!!!

[Angiud]

You always bring good luck with you so, don't worry!

Today I arrived too early, no patience, I was tired and the sky was very cloudy.

[Painted Jezebel]

I popped over to KPN yesterday following Antonio's recent finds. Unfortunately, not much was flying, though we did see, again, the Emerald.

We did have one slice of luck, however. Antonio found a dead male Deramas at the same location he took the photo shown earlier in this thread. Upperside, in situ, is shown, together with the underside in preparation for relaxing, prior to setting, as I was able to take the specimen as a voucher specimen without feeling guilty as I usually do when obtaining a voucher specimen. The upperside throws into doubt the earlier id as Deramas livens. I believe it is more likely to be Deramas jasoda jasoda, as there is a blue extension at the cell end.

[Psyche]

I popped over to KPN yesterday following Antonio's recent finds. Unfortunately, not much was flying, though we did see, again, the Emerald.

We did have one slice of luck, however. Antonio found a dead male Deramas at the same location he took the photo shown earlier in this thread. Upperside, in situ, is shown, together with the underside in preparation for relaxing, prior to setting, as I was able to take the specimen as a voucher specimen without feeling guilty as I usually do when obtaining a voucher specimen. The upperside throws into doubt the earlier id as Deramas livens. I believe it is more likely to be Deramas jasoda jasoda, as there is a blue extension at the cell end.

You are absolutely right.
I did not double-checked to see if there is another sp. without tornal orange.
A helpful feature is that the HW cilia of D. livens is checquered, more prominent in the female.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc1/80170010.html

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you, Seow, for the confirmation. Unfortunately, I had just published on my site the pages for D. livens! I must now change them all again.

Antonio, if it is any consolation for the poor results from yesterday, I have just been to my most productive area on Samui, and things are even worse here!

[Angiud]

I'm on the way to Khao Phanom Bencha national park. I hope will be more busy than our areas...

[Angiud]

Today a short but profitable walk on the same location. A +1 both for KPG and for my Thai list:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2838/9520604187_0bf49d0fe5_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9520604187/)
The Banded Royal - Rachana jalindra burbona (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9520604187/)

Also bit scared by this encounter along the trail:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2857/9520526061_985298f014_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9520526061/)
King Cobra (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9520526061/)

[Painted Jezebel]

Superb shot of the Rachana, rare-ish on Samui.

I totally envy your meeting with the great King. I have only met him once, and did not have my camera ready!

[Bluebottle]

Congrats, Antonio!
The Banded Royal is a real beauty.
I have not met one in Singapore yet.

[bluefin]

Congrats Antonio on the Royal Beauty and the King.

:cheers:

[Angiud]

Thanks for the nice words.

Today no Cobra, but the location is always generous with a few species new for me or for the island.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7416/9608446854_e1a486f318_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9608446854/)
The Common Rose - Pachliopta aristolochiae asteris - (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9608446854/) Common, but not for KPG, and this if my first pic from the island

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/9608442428_5eda922025_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9608442428/)
The Spotted Judy - Abisara geza nyla - (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9608442428/) a +1 for KPG

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5480/9608444402_f93b91f81c_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9608444402/)
The Indigo Flash - Rapala varuna orseis - (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9608444402/)Maybe common, but a +1 both for my Thailand collection and for KPG

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3776/9605216689_7830cf8c02_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9605216689/)
Deramas sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/9605216689/) Possibly a female, completely lack of blue color in the upperside. Definitely larger than the other D. jasoda seen last month.

[Silverstreak]

Outstanding shoot Antonio !:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


This shot might be a female Abisara saturata kausambioides (Malayan Plum Judy), do you have this species over there? :)



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/9608442428_5eda922025_c.jpg

[Psyche]

Post 30.

The Deramas is D. jasoda female. No orange mark ; Wing cilia not chequered.

A useful quide combining Fleming's description & C&P4's are.

D. livens ; orange poor especially in female; cilia chequered; ground rich reddish/purple brown.

D. nolens : orange prominent ; cilia chequered; ground buff with faint purple glaze(only in the male).

D. alixae : orange prominent; cilia chequered; ground pale buff brown without purple/reddish tinge.

D. nelvis : orange prominent; cilia chequered (correction); ground pale greyish buff with slight reddish or purple glaze.

D. jasoda : no orange : cilia not chequered ; ground hair brown , may have strong purple wash.


I think the Abisara is probably correct. black spots in space 1b tends to be more rounded in A. geza.
A. geza female Singapore.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/IMG_3723-1.jpg
A. saturata female
http://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist%20V2/CI/mugshots/Abisara%20saturata%20kausambiodes/Abisara%20saturata%20kausambiodes%20Female%20-%20Sunny%20Chir.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

[Silverstreak]

Dr. Seow ,

The reason for my doubt on it being a female A. geza is the forewing white patch is too extensive for it to be a A geza.

This female A. geza you linked to was one of the females in a batch of 10 A. saturata that I bred, from a batch of eggs from a female A . saturata, awhile back , the male from the same batch were all without doubt A. saturata.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/IMG_3723-1.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/IMG_3723-1.jpg


Here is a female A geza niya I have ,on the left compare to Antonio's shot on the right :


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a288/SunnyChir/Bin/SNAG_Program-0239_zpsabc6fdfe.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/SunnyChir/media/Bin/SNAG_Program-0239_zpsabc6fdfe.jpg.html)

[Psyche]

Yes Sunny, I am aware that the female A. geza seem to have a smaller white patch but I wasn't sure if it is consistent or only for Singapore examples. ( Inner FW band also seems to be more bent.)

In googling for 'Abisara' that was the closest I could find & identify as a possible A. geza female.
Since you have bred that female, its ID as A. saturata is beyond doubt.

Well, I have tried googling "Abisara geza" & have better results.
This female by James is typical A. geza.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WC0Hjm4PCxQ/Tiq_2sz3sBI/AAAAAAAAGWM/UXqrBkobBL4/s400/SpottedJudy-JamesC.jpg

You are probably right all along .It should be A. saturata.

If the features are consistent then the ID of the female Abisara geza would be.

1. Forewing white patch smaller.
2. Forewing inner band tend to be more bent.
3. Hindwing twin black spots in space 1b tend to be rounded (Teardrop shaped in A. saturata)
(Note your female geza have the 2 spots distorted by the perspective.)

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Please note that the ssp. of Abisara saturata found on the islands is A. s. maya, not A. s. kausambioides.

I had thought that I had my own Abisara photos sorted, but I now have some doubts, particularly with my A. geza females, and will have to go through them again.:thumbsdow

At least you had a good day, Antonio. I was out as well and saw nothing...again, apart from a single Surendra quercetorum. It has been like this for months, and I am very depressed.

Your comment on the Deramas that there was a complete lack of blue on the upperside confused me, as I had thought that only D. nolens has a pure brown upperside in the female, though I knew I could not be that species as there was no orange tornal spot.

[Psyche]

Please note that the ssp. of Abisara saturata found on the islands is A. s. maya, not A. s. kausambioides.

I had thought that I had my own Abisara photos sorted, but I now have some doubts, particularly with my A. geza females, and will have to go through them again.:thumbsdow

At least you had a good day, Antonio. I was out as well and saw nothing...again, apart from a single Surendra quercetorum. It has been like this for months, and I am very depressed.

Your comment on the Deramas that there was a complete lack of blue on the upperside confused me, as I had thought that only D. nolens has a pure brown upperside in the female, though I knew I could not be that species as there was no orange tornal spot.


I double-checked the Deramas to be sure since the ground colour is notorious for being inconsistent in photos (or is it the butterfly itself.).

It is undoubtedly D. jasoda .

The only other female in which the orange may be missing is D. livens.
In addition to the chequered cilia, the FW band is prominemtly dislocated at vein 4 & likewise the HW band between vein 3 & 5.
( The bands of D. nolens are similar.)
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc1/80170010.html

In D. jasoda, the FW band is entire, not dislocated, but the HW band is very strongly dislocated & shifted out between vein 3 & 5.
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_images/linkbuttons/butterflies/lycaenidae/deramasjasodajasoda.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

[Angiud]

To confirm Seow identification of the Deramas jasoda, I have to add that I've found this Deramas a 5 mt5 from the place where I found the other one ;-)

[Painted Jezebel]

You appear to have a stronger colony of your species of Deramas on KPN than mine on Samui! I have only seen two specimens in 6 years of regularly going to the one location I have found it. What times of day have you seen it? Mine were both at approx 1.00 p.m. at the beginning of July, but 4 years apart!

[Psyche]

You appear to have a stronger colony of your species of Deramas on KPN than mine on Samui! I have only seen two specimens in 6 years of regularly going to the one location I have found it. What times of day have you seen it? Mine were both at approx 1.00 p.m. at the beginning of July, but 4 years apart!

I have also checked out again that mysterious female Deramas of yours with the almost black upperside.
All the other species D. alixae, anyx, antanyx, & nolens have the underside variously buff or dirty yellow & nowhere near the greyish/purplish colour.
D. arshadorum have broad white bands & D. basrii have wide orange.

The only match for that colour (plus the tornal orange) is D. nelvis.
Likewise I believed that this Yutaka specimen is D. nelvis male.
Not only is the underside colour wrong, but the FW subapical spots are missing.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc1/80180010.html

TL Seow:cheers:

[Angiud]

You appear to have a stronger colony of your species of Deramas on KPN than mine on Samui! I have only seen two specimens in 6 years of regularly going to the one location I have found it. What times of day have you seen it? Mine were both at approx 1.00 p.m. at the beginning of July, but 4 years apart!

I saw both around 11-12 AM same location we went together

[Painted Jezebel]

Thanks, Antonio for the info. Perhaps I ought to get there a bit earlier!

Seow, yes, I still have problems regarding my female. That is why I am constantly going there to try for a male. Although I have it listed as D. nolens, I do state the doubts held about its correctness. Perhaps I ought to change it back to Deramas sp. indet.

[Psyche]

Thanks, Antonio for the info. Perhaps I ought to get there a bit earlier!

Seow, yes, I still have problems regarding my female. That is why I am constantly going there to try for a male. Although I have it listed as D. nolens, I do state the doubts held about its correctness. Perhaps I ought to change it back to Deramas sp. indet.

I have seen your website on D. nolens & I think it is fine as it is.
Often as not the obvious & common one ends up being coorect.

My curiosity is the male you put up. Its wingshape also suggest it could be a female . I supposed you have seen the upperside.
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_images/linkbuttons/butterflies/lycaenidae/deramasnolenspasteuri.jpg

The underside pattern & colour also matched that of the specimen female so in all likelyhood they are the same species.

If it is male it strongly suggest D. nelvis.
Fleming's description of nelvis is the best match ie. underside greyish buff with slight reddish or purple glaze vs for D. nolens (C&P4) underside buff with faint purple glaze(absent in female) .

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. If it is female it also strongly suggest D. nelvis as the female nolens should only be buff without any reddish/purple glaze.

[Psyche]

I am just wondering if the ID of Deramas have been a mess in the past.
These two from Si thammarat & Khao Luang were ID'ed as D. livens.
Looking at them now they seem too light-coloured to be the male livens.
http://www.samuibutterflies.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/deramaslivens.v.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8397/8621705374_ed42a05af6_c.jpg

TL Seow:cheers: