North Sulawesi

[Glorious Begum]

Just got back early this morning. Les and Antonio are still traveling and will reach home tonight. Let me start the ball rolling....

Mount Lokon taken from Gardenia resort.

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143424309.jpg

Another view of Mount Lokon

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143424310.jpg

A few shots inside / outside of Bogani Nani Wartabone National Park.

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143424510.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143424513.jpg

Our hard working Butterfly man searching for butterflies

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143424512.jpg

Crossing the river in the park

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143424507.jpg

It is dangerous in this park. Ranger was carried a gun. :sweat:

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143424508.jpg

Let the others post their beautiful pictures here. Guys, come ! come ! post your pictures here..

[bluefin]

Okee, let's start off with this majestic nawab. :)


Polyura cognatus cognatus [Sulawesi Blue Nawab]

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5114/7232722594_8f36437928_c.jpg

[atronox]

Awesome shot!!!:redbounce
This is a Polyura cognatus

[Blue Jay]

Terrific capture!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Glorious Begum]

Not sure what is this. Looks like The Quaker ?

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143431596.jpg

[Commander]

Not sure what is this. Looks like The Quaker ?

Probably a related species. But definitely not our local Quaker subspecies. Interesting hairy legs! :bsmile:

[Commander]

Okee, let's start off with this majestic nawab. :)


Awesome shot of this pristine Nawab. :thumbsup: Definitely not a species found in West Malaysia!

[atronox]

Pithecops phoenix i think. Then again it's a little different.

[Blue Jay]

Uncle LC,
SG's Quaker has only one spot on the hindwing costa. The "Quaker" that you shot has many more spots.:cheers:

[teotp]

Okee, let's start off with this majestic nawab. :)


http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5114/7232722594_8f36437928_c.jpg


Polyura cognata (Vollenhoven, 1861). Common name: Sulawesi Blue Nawab. There are three subspecies recorded from Sulawesi, cognata, bellona and yumikoe (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003;Tsukada, 1991; D'Abrera, 1985).

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Awesome shot of this pristine Nawab. :thumbsup: Definitely not a species found in West Malaysia!

Just arrived back. I'll be very suprised if anything we found is in West Malaysia. We may, very occasionally, have the same species, but the subspecies is likely to be different.

It will take a long time to get everything correct, if we ever do! I suspect I will have a large number of undentified specimens at the end of this thread.

[teotp]

Not sure what is this. Looks like The Quaker ?

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143431596.jpg

Pithecops phoenix (Rober, 1886). Common name: Sulawesi Quaker. Takanami (1989) considers moeros from northern Sulawesi to be a good subspecies of P. phoenix (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003).

Teo T P

(reason for editing: Wrong ID)

[atronox]

Just arrived back. I'll be very suprised if anything we found is in West Malaysia. We may, very occasionally, have the same species, but the subspecies is likely to be different.

It will take a long time to get everything correct, if we ever do! I suspect I will have a large number of undentified specimens at the end of this thread.
Sounds like u had a productive trip:) Can't wait to see the lycaenids~

[Painted Jezebel]

Thanks, Teo. We, or at least I, came across two similar species. This one was small, of the correct size when compared to West Malaysian species. The other, yet to be shown, please give us time, was much larger, and looks like a large Pithecops sp.

[Archduke]

Wah, I cant wait to see more shots from the trip.

[teotp]

Thanks, Teo. We, or at least I, came across two similar species. This one was small, of the correct size when compared to West Malaysian species. The other, yet to be shown, please give us time, was much larger, and looks like a large Pithecops sp.

Sorry Les, I overlook and it should be Pithecops phoenix. There are two black dots near the costal margin on forewing underside. All IDs were mainly consulted the publication: "The Butterflies of Sulawesi" edited by R. I. Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003.

[moloch]

Wow, guys, what a great start. The place looks gorgeous and that Nawab was superb! Looking forward to more, lots more!

Regards,

[Painted Jezebel]

Finally masnaged to work on the first day's photos.

Attached is, what I think, may be a different species. It was larger than the specimens am used to seeing. - UPDATE - Pithecops phoenix meoros

Aaron, you will have a long wait for the Lycanidae! They were very much notable for their absence!!!

[Painted Jezebel]

Polyura cognata (Vollenhoven, 1861). Common name: Sulawesi Blue Nawab. There are three subspecies recorded from Sulawesi, cognata, bellona and yumikoe (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003;Tsukada, 1991; D'Abrera, 1985).

Teo T P

I think this is the nominate subspecies, P. cognata cognata. The others appear to have distributions further south (at least according to the sometimes questionable Funet website). I have seen Dick and de Jong's paper, but unfortunately, I do not have a copy here at home,.... yet!

[Angiud]

Few shots from the first day, at Bogani Nani (Wartabone) National Park, in the forest:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7244/7239252498_819ddb1bdb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239252498/)
Kohinoor (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239252498/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5156/7239202402_62e5673b7a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239202402/)
Faunis cfr. menado (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239202402/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7239138944_d977005a89_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239138944/)
UnID Satyrinae (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239138944/)

[Leopard Lacewing]

Wow! Looks like you guys had a productive trip... can't wait to see more pics! :thumbsup:

[atronox]

The kohinoor is probably the related sp Amathuxidia plateni

[Angiud]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7098/7240064324_ef5e4a69bc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240064324/)
The Orange Albatross (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240064324/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7240506690_700f4000e4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240506690/)
The Green Dragontail (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240506690/)

Dragontail Peeing?

Appias nero or Appias zarinda ?

[Archduke]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7098/7240064324_ef5e4a69bc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240064324/)
The Orange Albatross (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240064324/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7240506690_700f4000e4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240506690/)
The Green Dragontail (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240506690/)

Dragontail Peeing?

Appias nero or Appias zarinda ?


Wow, solid shot of that Dragontail!

[Painted Jezebel]

Wow! Looks like you guys had a productive trip:

Actually No! This was a very disappointing trip. Never, ever, use a tour agency, unless they understand your requirements. It became perfectly clear early on that the tour operator had no idea of what we wanted. They wanted us to be birders, or normal tourists.

But, then again, they have never had to deal with entomologists.

[Glorious Begum]

A few from me.

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143464009.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143464129.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143464131.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143464130.jpg

[teotp]

[QUOTE=Angiud;113153]Few shots from the first day, at Bogani Nani (Wartabone) National Park, in the forest:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7244/7239252498_819ddb1bdb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239252498/)
Kohinoor (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239252498/)

Amathuxidia plateni (Staudinger, 1887). Common name: Platen's Kohinoor. Four subspecies recorded from Sulawesi: plateni (N. Sulawesi), iamos (Central & south Sulawesi), pelengensis (Kepulauan Banggai, Peleng) and suprema (Kep. Sula -Mangole, Sanana).

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5156/7239202402_62e5673b7a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239202402/)
Faunis cfr. menado (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239202402/)

You are right Antonio. Faunis menado (Hewitson, 1865). Nine subspecies reported but subsp. menado from north Sulawesi.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7239138944_d977005a89_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239138944/)
UnID Satyrinae (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239138944/)

Tentatively id as Lohora (Lohora) ophthalimicus (Westwood, 1888). Range: North and eastern Sulawesi. Lohora spp. show very little differentiation in their genitalia or alar (androconial) organs, and identification of certain species presents difficulties (Vane-Wright & H. Fermon, 2003).

Refs.: Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; D'Abrera, 1985; Vane-Wright & H. Fermon, 2003.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

[QUOTE=Angiud;113153]

Tentatively id as Lohora (Lohora) ophthalimicus (Westwood, 1888). Range: North and eastern Sulawesi. Lohora spp. show very little differentiation in their genitalia or alar (androconial) organs, and identification of certain species presents difficulties (Vane-Wright & H. Fermon, 2003).

Refs.: Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; D'Abrera, 1985; Vane-Wright & H. Fermon, 2003.

Teo T P

I have other photos which, I suspect, are the same species, but there are some significant differences. I am still working through my photos, so it will take a couple of days. The differences relate to the shape of the submarginal stripe on the hindwing.

I also know that Antonio has another photo of a similar specimen, but with additional spots on the hindwing. We are working, not completely in the dark, but in a completely new area for those of us with only experience of Sundaland, so we must not rush into species identification.

Sorry, but I am very wary of jumping to quick conclusions, which I, personally, have done far too often in the past, and learnt my lesson.

[Painted Jezebel]

Are these male and female Faunis menado? The white forewing stripe is interesting.

[teotp]

[QUOTE=teotp;113181]

I have other photos which, I suspect, are the same species, but there are some significant differences. I am still working through my photos, so it will take a couple of days. The differences relate to the shape of the submarginal stripe on the hindwing.

I also know that Antonio has another photo of a similar specimen, but with additional spots on the hindwing. We are working, not completely in the dark, but in a completely new area for those of us with only experience of Sundaland, so we must not rush into species identification.

Sorry, but I am very wary of jumping to quick conclusions, which I, personally, have done far too often in the past, and learnt my lesson.

Agreed. I have to do it slowly because so many books and literatures (text with keys for upperside/underside of species/subspecies) have to go through them carefully (e.g. a recent review paper of subgenus Appias (Catophaga) which kindly sent by Prof. Vane-Wright of NH Museum is more than 100 pages. So id of Appias nero subspecies from Sulawesi will take some time and I will make mistakes too).

Teo T P

[teotp]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7098/7240064324_ef5e4a69bc_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240064324/)
The Orange Albatross (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240064324/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7240506690_700f4000e4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240506690/)
The Green Dragontail (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240506690/)

Dragontail Peeing?

Appias nero or Appias zarinda ?


Yata (1981) and Yata et al (2010) stated: Appias zarinda is closely resembles A. nero, but is readily distinguished from the male of the later by the sharply pointed forewing apex, both wings (upperside) without markings and veins not black dusted.

Two subspecies of Lamproptera meges recorded from Sulawesi: ennius (north, central, south and southeast Sulawesi and Kep. Banggai - Peleng) and akirai (South Sulawesi).

Teo T P

[teotp]

Finally masnaged to work on the first day's photos.

Attached is, what I think, may be a different species. It was larger than the specimens am used to seeing.

Les, is this specimen larger (twice the size?) than the one (which I id as Pithecops phoenix) posted by LC Goh yesterday?

Teo T P

[teotp]

A few from me.

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143464009.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143464129.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143464131.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143464130.jpg

1. Polyura cognata cognata (male)
2. Caleta caleta. Two subspecies: subsp caleta (north and central Sulawesi); subsp kalawara (central Sulawesi).
3. Amathuxidia plateni plateni (north Sulawesi).
4. Everes lacturnus.

Teo T P

[teotp]

Are these male and female Faunis menado? The white forewing stripe is interesting.

Sexes similar. The subapical white band of the forewing is very variable, being sometimes totally absent or very prominent (B. D'Abrera. Butterflies of the Oriental region, part II: page 492, 1985).

Teo T P

[bluefin]

Three little fellas. :)


Rapala dioetas (female).

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5279/7242633852_1de95bfc89_c.jpg



Rapala ribbei

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7242640128_d825f2c484_c.jpg



Hypolycaena erylus gamatius

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5331/7242631652_fb7f4e446a_c.jpg

[Angiud]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7088/7239420174_dbf7f58191_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239420174/)
Pithecops sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239420174/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7240645858_a9bc743025_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240645858/)
Another shot of the Green Dragontail (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7240645858/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5467/7241099120_9d58816b49_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7241099120/)
Rapala sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7241099120/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5333/7245439662_236ce67530_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245439662/)
The Tawny Rajah (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245439662/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7226/7245732230_0d11b0936e_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245732230/)
The Sulawesi Blue Nawab (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245732230/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8160/7245890692_1f3ca48969_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245890692/)
A Ring (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245890692/)

[teotp]

Three little fellas. :)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5279/7242633852_1de95bfc89_c.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7242640128_d825f2c484_c.jpg


http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5331/7242631652_fb7f4e446a_c.jpg

Six Rapala species were reported by Vane-Wright and de Jong (2003) from Sulawesi. Your photos:

1. Rapala dioetas (female).
2. Rapala ribbei. The underside of females is variable in intensity (D'Abrera, 1986).
3. Hypolycaena erylus gamatius (Fruhstorfer, 1912).

Teo T P

[teotp]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7088/7239420174_dbf7f58191_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239420174/)
Pithecops sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239420174/)



What is the size of this Pithecops butterfly? I may wrongly id the previous photo (from LC Goh) as I don't have the size of it. Two Pithecops species reported from Sulawesi (i.e. P. corvus and P. phoenix. The later species is larger. So the photos from LC and Les may be P. corvus and P. phoenix respectively.).

Teo T P

[Silverstreak]

Some very unique species!!

Guess you guys must have lots of fun!!!


..... the lady member of the trip would you kindly do a trip report for the Blog?;P

:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Les, is this specimen larger (twice the size?) than the one (which I id as Pithecops phoenix) posted by LC Goh yesterday?

Teo T P

Simple answer,,,, Yes!

[teotp]

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5467/7241099120_9d58816b49_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7241099120/)
Rapala sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7241099120/)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5333/7245439662_236ce67530_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245439662/)
The Tawny Rajah (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245439662/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8160/7245890692_1f3ca48969_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245890692/)
A Ring (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7245890692/)

3. Hypolycaena erylus gamatius.
4. Charaxes affinis affinis. (Specimens also illustrated by E. Tsukada in Butterflies of the SEA Islands vol. 5, 1991).
5. Ypthima loryma. Life history of this species was documented by Igarashi & Fukuda (The Life Histories of Asian Butterflies vol. 1, plate 120, page 362-363, 1997).

[Painted Jezebel]

OK, we have the underside of the Charaxes sp. Here is the upperside,

[teotp]

Simple answer,,,, Yes!

So your Pithecops is P. phoenix moeros and LC's photo is P. corvus corax because only two Pithecops species reported from Sulawesi by Van-Wright & R. de Jong (2003). The race phoenix is twice the size of typical corvus (See: Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part III, page 648, 1986, ed. by B. D'Abrera).

At the right begining, I tried to seperate Pithecops from Neopithecops because both genera have similar wing patterns, and the black dots near the forewing costal margin are not the main characteristics to differentiate these two groups of butterflies. Apart from the differences in their male genitalia, the two genera are distinguished by forewing veins 11 and 12 (i.e. R1 and Sc), which are anastomosed for a short distance before reaching the costa in Pithecops (see C&P 4 page 236 fig 93), but seperate in Neopithecops (In: The higher classification of the Lycaenidae - Lepidoptera by J.N. Eliot, Bulletin of the BMNH Entomology, vol 28 no.6, page 448, 1973). Unfortunately all photos unable to show these differences.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Relating to posts 27 & 28, here are two specimens, which may be the same species. The first was taken at Bogani Nani, c.200m, the second was in Minahasa Highlands ar c. 1000m. Notice the difference in the inner submarginal line on the hindwing.

[Painted Jezebel]

As we are still on Day 1, mainly, here are two photos of what was, probably the first butt we saw on arrival.

Papilio gigon gigon.

[bluefin]

Thanks Teo and Aaron for assisting in the IDs. :cheers:

The butterflies that we encounter at Sulawesi are mostly differently from what we find on the mainland and anything that we shoot would most probably be a +1 for most of us. :)

Most of the puddlers are not really attracted by our Formula B and they are simply doing fly pass by us without stopping. Although some species may be similar to those found on mainland, they are relatively bigger and most of them exhibits "gigantism". We have witness many huge flyers that simply would not stop for their portrait to be taken.

:cheers:

[bluefin]

Let's continue with the pictures. :)



Parthenos sylvia saltentia

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7252281576_2390bef58f_c.jpg



Vindula dejone celebensis.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/7252283704_1600b79032_c.jpg



Charaxes affinis affinis

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7252287252_c1719e9549_c.jpg




Lamproptera meges [Green Dragontail]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7252280404_37e3ecbcb7_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/7252289008_efb82116c6_c.jpg

[Psyche]

Is there a possibility that LC's quaker is something else?
I noticed that P. corvus corax is also the Philippine race but this looks different.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~Ey4y-TKNM/philframe.html
Also pics of P. corvus (both sexes) do not show the hairy legs.

TL Seow:cheers:

[teotp]

As we are still on Day 1, mainly, here are two photos of what was, probably the first butt we saw on arrival.

Papilio gigon gigon.

Yes, P. gigon gigon. There are three subspecies (gigon, neriotes and mangolinus) reported by Vane-Wright & R. de Jong (2003) from Sulawesi. Tsukada, Nishiyama & Morishita (1982) pointed out that subsp mangolinus from Sula is smaller and with narrower band, neriotes is from Talaud (Butterflies of SEA Islands vol.1, page 302, plate 79).

Teo T P

[teotp]

Is there a possibility that LC's quaker is something else?
I noticed that P. corvus corax is also the Philippine race but this looks different.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~Ey4y-TKNM/philframe.html
Also pics of P. corvus (both sexes) do not show the hairy legs.

TL Seow:cheers:

These are the reasons I wonder whether should it be under the genus Pithecops, and without examine the venation, genitalia, upperside, androconia, size where can I place it? Besides, the patterns on underside hindwing also looks different to me for P. corvus corax. I just have to base on the secondary features and report from Vane-Wright & R. de Jong(2003). I have not considered the phenotypic plasticity yet. Any suggestion from you?

Yes, Vane-Wright and R. de Jong also stated P. corvus corax range from Java, western Lesser Sunda Islands, Borneo, Philippines and Kep. Taluad.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

A few more.

1&2) A couple of Palmkings. I am pretty sure they are both Amathusia virgata, but they may be just plain old A. phidippus. The first was taken at Bogani Nani, at a distance, in deep forest, the second in the Minahasa Highlands. UPDATE - Amathusia virgata virgata confirmed.
3&4) Doleschallia polybete celebensis - the underside of this species is as variable as with our own D. bisaltide!
5) A very poor, heavily cropped shot of an Elymnias species, the only photo taken of it as it was so far away. There are 5 species on Sulawesi, but only three found in the north (4 subspecies). E. cumea cumea, E. cumea toliana, E. mimalon mimalon and E. hicetus rarion, but which one is it? UPDATE - E. hicetus rarion

[teotp]

Let's continue with the pictures. :)



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7252281576_2390bef58f_c.jpg



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/7252283704_1600b79032_c.jpg



Charaxes affinis affinis

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7252287252_c1719e9549_c.jpg




Lamproptera meges [Green Dragontail]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7252280404_37e3ecbcb7_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/7252289008_efb82116c6_c.jpg

1. Parthenos sylvia saltentia.
2. Vindula dejone celebensis.
3, 4 & 5. Please refer to previous posted replies.

Teo T P

[Psyche]

These are the reasons I wonder whether should it be under the genus Pithecops, and without examine the venation, genitalia, upperside, androconia, size where can I place it? Besides, the patterns on underside hindwing also looks different to me for P. corvus corax. I just have to base on the secondary features and report from Vane-Wright & R. de Jong(2003). I have not considered the phenotypic plasticity yet. Any suggestion from you?

Yes, Vane-Wright and R. de Jong also stated P. corvus corax range from Java, western Lesser Sunda Islands, Borneo, Philippines and Kep. Taluad.

Teo T P

Has P. corvus corax been recorded from mainland Sulawesi?
As far as I know Neopithecops is unknown from mainland Sulawesi, only from the outlying Sula islands & Tanajampea.

I am afraid I can offer no suggestion.
The superficial features looks typically Pithecops.
Checking thru the Udara group(including some Sulawesian spp. on the net) brings no result.

TL Seow:cheers:

[teotp]

Has P. corvus corax been recorded from mainland Sulawesi?
As far as I know Neopithecops is unknown from mainland Sulawesi, only from the outlying Sula islands & Tanajampea.

I am afraid I can offer no suggestion.
The superficial features looks typically Pithecops.
Checking thru the Udara group(including some Sulawesian spp. on the net) brings no result.

TL Seow:cheers:

P. corvus corax has not been recorded from mainland Sulawesi and Neopithecops neither.
I spent hours in afternoon reading through "The higher classification of the Lycaenidae - by J. N. Eliot" and couldn't find anything. He did not mentioned that hair brushes on legs is an important secondary character for the classification of Lycaenidae but genitalia(male and female), wing (shape, venation and pattern), head (antennae, eye, palpi and proboscis), legs (spur and esp. structures of segmented fore tarsus) and male secondary sexual characters (component of scales of varied brands, shape of androconia but these features have to examine under scanning electron microscope). The only genus has very hairy legs is Catapaecilma (C&P 4 page 295) but the wing pattern and other characters are totally different. Meantime, id as Pithecops sp. will be more appropiate.

Teo T P

[Psyche]

P. corvus corax has not been recorded from mainland Sulawesi and Neopithecops neither.
I spent hours in afternoon reading through "The higher classification of the Lycaenidae - by J. N. Eliot" and couldn't find anything. He did not mentioned that hair brushes on legs is an important secondary character for the classification of Lycaenidae but genitalia(male and female), wing (shape, venation and pattern), head (antennae, eye, palpi and proboscis), legs (spur and esp. structures of segmented fore tarsus) and male secondary sexual characters (component of scales of varied brands, shape of androconia but these features have to examine under scanning electron microscope). The only genus has very hairy legs is Catapaecilma (C&P 4 page 295) but the wing pattern and other characters are totally different. Meantime, id as Pithecops sp. will be more appropiate.

Teo T P


Thanks Teo for all the hard work getting the extra informations.
If only P. phoenix is left, LC's Quaker could be a variant or perhaps it is really something new. (size of this unknown)

TL Seow:cheers:

[Glorious Begum]

Thanks Teo for all the hard work getting the extra informations.
If only P. phoenix is left, LC's Quaker could be a variant or perhaps it is really something new. (size of this unknown)

TL Seow:cheers:

Thanks Dr Seoq amd Teo. This is tiny similar to our Quaker here. :cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you both of you, Seow and Teo. This has been a fascinating discussion. I must admit to be completely in the dark with these two. The smaller, dark spotted species, does look like a Pithecops sp. Yet, at the same time so does the larger golden spotted species. Nevertheless, we have to look at what has been recorded from the area. Are these two the same species or not, personally, the answer is Not, but I could be, and, far too often, am wrong.

Sulawesi still has a lot to be discovered, I think.

[teotp]

Seow, LC and Les : Not at all.
A revision lesson on classification of Lycaenidae for me.

An article I received from Prof. Otaki entitled: "Color-pattern modification and speciation in lycaenid butterflies" (Transactions of Lepidoptera Society of Japan vol 54 : 197-205, 2003) also reported many aberrant lycaenid butterflies caught in the field, the spots on ventral hindwings showed aberrations include Everes argiades, Euchrysops cnejus, Zizeeria maha, Plebejus argus Scilitantides orion and Pithecops fulgens.

Teo T P

[teotp]

A few more.

1&2) A couple of Palmkings. I am pretty sure they are both Amathusia virgata, but they may be just plain old A. phidippus. The first was taken at Bogani Nani, at a distance, in deep forest, the second in the Minahasa Highlands.
3&4) Doleschallia polybete celebensis - the underside of this species is as variable as with our own D. bisaltide!
5) A very poor, heavily cropped shot of an Elymnias species, the only photo taken of it as it was so far away. There are 5 species on Sulawesi, but only three found in the north (4 subspecies). E. cumea cumea, E. cumea toliana, E. mimalon mimalon and E. hicetus rarion, but which one is it?

1. & 2. Amathusia virgata. Common name: Honrath's Palmking. According to Vane-Wright & R. de Jong (2003), two subspecies: thoanthea (North, central & SE Sulawesi) and virgata (South Sulawesi).
3. & 4. Doleschallia polibete celebensis. This is the only subsp. from mainland Sulawesi. Other subsp. like maturitas and sulaensis are from Banggai and Sula Islands respectively (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003).
5. Male Elymnias hicetas rarior (North and central Sulawesi). (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part II - B. D'Abrera, 1985).

Teo T P

[bluefin]

1. Junonia hedonia intermedia

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7256587062_eb72467dde_c.jpg



2. Tagiades trebellius trebellius

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7101/7256576566_761da57ed1_c.jpg



3. Leptotes plinius plutarchus

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/7256581200_366d8ca1a8_c.jpg



4. Rhinopalpa polynice megalonice

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8145/7256580212_5e36524f0b_c.jpg



5. Doleschallia polibete celebensis

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7256579456_4616ac585e_c.jpg



6. Lasippa neriphus tawayana

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/7256578088_8f76751d33_c.jpg



7. Plastingia tessellata tessellata

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7074/7258555428_94563bede5_c.jpg

[bluefin]

Cyrestis strigata strigata

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7258552106_102f32d863_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7214/7258553954_fa4fbded5f_c.jpg



Caleta caleta.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7083/7256583380_03a0d7c05a_c.jpg

[Painted Jezebel]

5. Male Elymnias hicetas hicetas (North and central Sulawesi). (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part II - B. D'Abrera, 1985).

Teo T P

Thank you for the confirmations, particularly the Elymnias, which I though likely to be too bad to get an ID.

I do have a query concernng the Elymnias subspecies. According to VW &dJ, ssp. hicetas is found in Southern Sulawesi, whereas as ssp. rarior is that found in the north. The page split (pp 174/175) for the latter ssp. causes some confusion.

[Painted Jezebel]

Nelson, the Cyrestis species is, I beleive Cyrestis strigata strigata. I originally had it as C. acilia, to which C. strigata is very closely related, until I realised, after getting a copy of VW & dJ's paper, that that species is not foud in Sulawesi!

[Painted Jezebel]

My final odds and sods from Bogani Nani NP, before moving on to Kali Waterfall, nr. Manado.

1&2) There are too many Hypolimnas sp. on Sulawesi for me to be 100% posivie of this ones ID. UPDATE - H. bolina bolina
3) Normally, I would immediately say Zizina otis, but I think that there may be others with similar markings, eg. Bothrina, Pseudobothrina sp. UPDATE - Z. otis ssp.
4) Mycalesis sp. My brain shuts down when it comes to this genus!
5) I originally thought this was Eurema nicevillei. However, on return home, I discovered that that species is not on Sulawesi. UPDATE - E. alitha alitha

I will start a separate thread for the Hesperiidae, as that could become quite messy!

[atronox]

I'm pretty sure that the lascar is Pantoporia antara:)

[teotp]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/7258552106_102f32d863_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7214/7258553954_fa4fbded5f_c.jpg



Caleta caleta.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7083/7256583380_03a0d7c05a_c.jpg

1. & 2. Cyrestis strigata strigata. C. strigata is recognised as a seperate species from Sulawesi by Vane-Wright & R. de Jong (2003) , but Holloway (1973) and D''Abrera (1985) considered as a subsp. of C. acilia.
(Note: Beautiful picture clearly figured the wing pattern of C. strigata, Nelson).

3. As id.

Teo T P

[teotp]

Thank you for the confirmations, particularly the Elymnias, which I though likely to be too bad to get an ID.

I do have a query concernng the Elymnias subspecies. According to VW &dJ, ssp. hicetas is found in Southern Sulawesi, whereas as ssp. rarior is that found in the north. The page split (pp 174/175) for the latter ssp. causes some confusion.

You are right Les. E. h. rarior (Range from north and central Sulawesi) and E. h. hicetas (South Sulawesi). I amended my mistake.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Re Post 60:
1) I'll stick my neck out on this, possibly Junonia erigone. I know that VW&dJ state not found in N. Sulawesi, but I am positive one of us, not me, has an upperside shot of this species.
2) Tagiades trebellius trebellius
3) Leptotes plinius plutarchus
4) Rhinopalpa polynice megalonice
5) Doleschallia polibete celebensis. A much nicer underside than mine!
6) Aaron, I don't think it is the only Pantoporia sp. on Sulawesi. The upperside forewing looks different to that pictured on Plate 12, No.6.
7) Plastingia tessellata tessellata

[Grass Demon]

Thanks to all for sharing the unique butterflies of Northern Sulawesi. Did any of you have the chance to see the tailed male Papilio memnon? I was in Manado for a holiday a couple of years back and visited the Tangkoko Batuangus Natural Reserve to see the Tarsier. At the park entrance, I saw a male (tailed) and then a female Papilio memnon. In the short few minutes while waiting for the guide ranger, I saw the female laying eggs on a citrus tree (looks like pomelo). One of the eggs was low enough for me to pick and I brought it back. It hatched and I fed it with pomelo leaves but unfortunately, it perished when it reached the 4th/5th instar:-(:mad2: .

[Leopard Lacewing]

Wow! Beautiful shots!!! :thumbsup:

[Angiud]

A few more shots:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/7252696964_df7898c340_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7252696964/)
2 Zebra Blue mating (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7252696964/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8150/7254328442_96174e8b69_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254328442/)
The Violet Awl (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254328442/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/7254361386_b36ca1b677_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254361386/)
The Common Awl (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254361386/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7073/7254680180_6a6166b94d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254680180/)
An Eggfly (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254680180/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7074/7254806228_c727c503ff_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254806228/)
A Tiger (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254806228/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7254849308_fbdca5fc89_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254849308/)
Another Tiger (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254849308/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7234/7254885828_487292e93f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254885828/)
Appias sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254885828/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7094/7254970102_7975f06021_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254970102/)
Cousins (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254970102/)

[teotp]

Re Post 60:
1) I'll stick my neck out on this, possibly Junonia erigone. I know that VW&dJ state not found in N. Sulawesi, but I am positive one of us, not me, has an upperside shot of this species.
2) Tagiades trebellius trebellius
3) Leptotes plinius plutarchus
4) Rhinopalpa polynice megalonice
5) Doleschallia polibete celebensis. A much nicer underside than mine!
6) Aaron, I don't think it is the only Pantoporia sp. on Sulawesi. The upperside forewing looks different to that pictured on Plate 12, No.6.
7) Plastingia tessellata tessellata

1. Junonia hedonia intermedia (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003). As J. intermedia intermedia by B. D'Abrera (1985).
2, 3, 4, 5, and 7. As id.
6. Again, it is not possible to differentiate genera Pantoporia and Lasippa by venation (C&P 4 page 171) from the photo. Wing pattern from upperside forewing indicated it is Lasippa neriphus tawayana (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part II, page 304, 1985).

Teo T P

[Glorious Begum]

This one with light red / pinky colors uperwings


ID : Appias zarinda zarinda

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143542917.jpg

[teotp]

My final odds and sods from Bogani Nani NP, before moving on to Kali Waterfall, nr. Manado.

1&2) There are too many Hypolimnas sp. on Sulawesi for me to be 100% posivie of this ones ID.
3) Normally, I would immediately say Zizina otis, but I think that there may be others with similar markings, eg. Bothrina, Pseudobothrina sp.
4) Mycalesis sp. My brain shuts down when it comes to this genus!
5) I originally thought this was Eurema nicevillei. However, on return home, I discovered that that species is not on Sulawesi.

I will start a separate thread for the Hesperiidae, as that could become quite messy!

1. & 2. Hypolimnas bolina bolina.
3. Zizina otis. (Note: I don't think the small marking is a spot in the cell on underside forewing.).
3. Sorry, unable to id.
4. Any upperside shot to clarify it is Eurema hecabe latimargo.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

1. Junonia hedonia intermedia (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003). As J. intermedia intermedia by B. D'Abrera (1985).
6. Again, it is not possible to differentiate genera Pantoporia and Lasippa by venation (C&P 4 page 171) from the photo. Wing pattern from upperside forewing indicated it is Lasippa neriphus tawayana (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part II, page 304, 1985).

Teo T P

As regards to no.1, yes. I am happy to be proved wrong. However, I would like for one the of us who happened to get the upperside show it. As I said, my neck is out in the open!

For No.6, I also thought about the Lasippa sp.

[teotp]

As regards to no.1, yes. I am happy to be proved wrong. However, I would like for one the of us who happened to get the upperside show it. As I said, my neck is out in the open!

For No.6, I also thought about the Lasippa sp.

Everybody makes mistake including me. For me, right or wrong is not the issue but learn something is more important. I join BDF is not to prove who is right or wrong but gain experience, knowledge and enjoy.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Everybody makes mistake including me. For me, right or wrong is not the issue but learn something is more important. I join BDF is not to prove who is right or wrong but gain experience, knowledge and enjoy.

Teo T P

I think there may be a cultural difference between the way westerners, like me, and orientals, like the majority of members here, tend to treat getting things wrong. Certainly it is the case in Thailand, where being wrong is a matter of losing face. To me, being wrong teaches me me an awful lot more than getting things right, accidentally. I like being shown to be wrong!

Anyway, enough of that, Antonio has already started on the butts of Tangkoko nature reserrve, and I am still at Kali Waterfall, the day before!

My Kali pics not shown before:
1) Lexias aeetes aeetes. I think this was the only specimen seen.
2&3) Chersonesia rahria celebensis. As above.
4&5) Looks like an Eggfly, but it was enormous. I seem to recall that there is a Papilionid that mimic the eggfly, but I may be mistaken, my brain is misbehaving badly at the moment! Very skittish, and I hope someone has a much better upperside than mine, which was taken as a great distance. - Correction - Hypolimnas diomea diomea
6) An Ypthima sp. - Ypthima nynias nynias
7) Another Ypthima. - Ypthima loryma
8) A Tiger, can't get the species for certain. - Danaus ismare alba
9) Lycaenid. Help! - Zizula hylax hylax
10) Distinctive underside, the white forewing bar appears different to those shown in VW&dJ. - Lamasia lyncides lyncides

[Painted Jezebel]

3. Sorry, unable to id.
4. Any upperside shot to clarify it is Eurema hecabe latimargo.

Teo T P

3)I must admit I did not expect an ID, owing to the poor quality of the photo! But unless one asks......!
4) The species was very common, and had the forewing black border extending along the dorsum, like E. nicevillei. Unfortunatley, no upperside shot!

[bluefin]

It is a highlight of the trip to sight the below 2 Graphium. :redbounce
Hopefully I get the ID right for both. :)

Graphium rhesus is of similar size to the Five Bar Swordtail and it only stops intermittently, it simply does not pay attention to our Formula B. Graphium androcles is huge and it will definitely make its presence felt when in flight. it also does not give a hoot to the Formula B.

Hopefully we will be able to get a picture of Graphium dorcus butungensis and also have better shots of the below 2 when we visit Sulawesi again. (Most Probably South Sulawesi) :cheers:



Graphium rhesus rhesus

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8025/7258554422_c349535897_c.jpg




Graphium androcles androcles

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7258555064_02f6dede38_c.jpg

[Painted Jezebel]

Beautiful, Nelson. I never managed shots of either!:cry:

[teotp]

A few more shots:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/7252696964_df7898c340_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7252696964/)
2 Zebra Blue mating (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7252696964/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8150/7254328442_96174e8b69_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254328442/)
The Violet Awl (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254328442/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/7254361386_b36ca1b677_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254361386/)
The Common Awl (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254361386/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7073/7254680180_6a6166b94d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254680180/)
An Eggfly (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254680180/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7074/7254806228_c727c503ff_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254806228/)
A Tiger (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254806228/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7254849308_fbdca5fc89_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254849308/)
Another Tiger (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254849308/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7234/7254885828_487292e93f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254885828/)
Appias sp. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254885828/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7094/7254970102_7975f06021_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254970102/)
Cousins (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7254970102/)

1. L. plinius plutarchus. (Beautiful shot.)
4. Hypolimnas anomala stellata.
5. Parantica sp. I couldn't figured it belongs to any of the Parantica species listed by Vane-Wright & R. de Jong (2003), as well as in D'Abrera 's book and the Butterflies of the SEA Islands vol.2 edited by Yata ei al, 1981. Any upperside?
6. Appias hombroni hombroni.
7. A. zarinda zarinda + Cepora celebensis celebensis.

I will not id the skippers because of my limited reference materials for Sulawesi Hesperiidae. Sorry.

Teo T P

[Silverstreak]

Graphium rhesus is of similar size to the Five Bar Swordtail and it only stops intermittently, it simply does not pay attention to our Formula B. Graphium androcles is huge and it will definitely make its presence felt when in flight. it also does not give a hoot to the Formula B.

Interesting observation, perhaps conditioned by local preference....... like most foreigners do not take to durian kindly.:bsmile:

..... now what is formula S (ulawesi ) ?


:cheers:

[teotp]

3)I must admit I did not expect an ID, owing to the poor quality of the photo! But unless one asks......!
4) The species was very common, and had the forewing black border extending along the dorsum, like E. nicevillei. Unfortunatley, no upperside shot!

4. Eurema alitha alitha (2 cell spots on upp fw). The other two species E. blanda norbana and E. tominia tominia which have the black distal border continued along the dorsum but both with 3 and 1 cell spot recpectively (Yata et al, 1981).

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Another Cepora sp. - Cepora timnatha timnatha

1) Underside
2) I think this is the female upperside of the same sp.

3) The Parantica sp. again underside - Correction - Euploea algea kirbyi
4) Most of the upperside I could manage. I do not know if anyone got a better shot!

Teo, I note your comment concerning the Hesperiidae, and fully understand. However, I will continue posting mine on the other thread, just in case someone recognises any.

[Painted Jezebel]

4. Eurema alitha alitha (2 cell spots on upp fw). The other two species E. blanda norbana and E. tominia tominia which have the black distal border continued along the dorsum but both with 3 and 1 cell spot recpectively (Yata et al, 1981).

Teo T P

Thank you. I think I should have taken more Eurema photos, I did not realise that there were more than one species with the extended black!:thumbsdow Once I had got one, I ignored the rest. Stupid me!

[teotp]

This one with light red / pinky colors uperwings

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143542917.jpg

Appias zarinda zarinda. (Ref.: Yata et al, 2010. The golden and mariana albatrosses, new species of pierid butterflies, with a review of sungenus Appias (Catophaga) (Lepidoptera). Systematic Entomology 35: 764-800.

Teo T P

(Note: Freshly collect A. nero or A. zarinda always colour orange-red and when specimen kept for sometime it turns darker red.)

[Glorious Begum]

Thanks Teo.:cheers:


Appias zarinda zarinda. (Ref.: Yata et al, 2010. The golden and mariana albatrosses, new species of pierid butterflies, with a review of sungenus Appias (Catophaga) (Lepidoptera). Systematic Entomology 35: 764-800.

Teo T P

(Note: Freshly collect A. nero or A. zarinda always colour orange-red and when specimen kept for sometime it turns darker red.)

[moloch]

Great shots, guys. I am enjoying this thread with lots of new butterflies.

Regards,

[teotp]

RE #77

1. Lexias aeetes aeetes (female). (Also illustrated by D'Abrera 's Butts. of Oriental Reg. Pt. 2 page 366, 1985.)
2. & 3. As id.
4. & 5. Hypolimna diomea diomea.
6. Ypthima nynias nynias. (Any upperside?)
7. Ypthima loryma.
8. Danaus ismare alba (N. Sulawesi), but the wing patterns of your butterfly(underside) looks similar to D. ismare isomareola figured by Yata et al (1981) in Butterflies of SEA Islands vol.2 page 125, which collected at Talaud.
9. Zizula hylax hylax.
10. Lamasia lyncides lyncides. (Also figured by D'Abrera in Butts. of Oriental Reg. Pt. 3, page 335, 1986).

Teo T P

[Psyche]

I recognised that dark Danaid from a butterfly book. (post 84)
It should be Euploea algea frusthoferi.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you, Teo and Seow.

I had just realised I had the Hypolimnas diomea diomea (Post 77, pics 4&5) and was about to note it, but you beat me to it! Sorry, no upperside for the Ypthima sp. Only managed uppersides for Y. loryma and another, hopefully highly distinctive, one which we will come to when we reach the photos for Minahasa Highlands.

The Euploea algea fruhstorferi is very different to what we have here, I would never have guessed that!

Some more unidentifieds from the Tangkoko region (still more to come from this area, but I have IDs for them! Also some pesky little lycaenids):

1&2) Athyma libnates libnates
3&4) Moduza Lymire lymire
5&6) Unknown at present - UPDATE - Appias zarinda zarinda (female)
7) Unknown at present - UPDATE - Danaus ismare alba

[atronox]

6. Again, it is not possible to differentiate genera Pantoporia and Lasippa by venation (C&P 4 page 171) from the photo. Wing pattern from upperside forewing indicated it is Lasippa neriphus tawayana (Vane-Wright & R. de Jong, 2003; Butterflies of the Oriental Region Part II, page 304, 1985).

Teo T P
Sorry about the misidentification.
Yes, i was debating between the two lascars which are unique to sulawesi but i settled on the wrong one.:)

[atronox]

Hoping i'm correct his time;P:
post #91
1st two are Athyma libnites, next two are Moduza lymire.
Not sure of the generic placement of the first; looks like it could be in Moduza as well. I think d' Abrera places it in Tarattia.

[teotp]

RE # 79

Beautiful shots and correct identification.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Hoping i'm correct his time;P:
post #91
1st two are Athyma libnites, next two are Moduza lymire.
Not sure of the generic placement of the first; looks like it could be in Moduza as well. I think d' Abrera places it in Tarattia.

Thank you, Aaron. I had thought the first was the only Athyma sp. on Sulawesi, but the upperside shot I could get was not sufficient to be certain. -On further look, the forewing white spots and the apical pattern looks wrong. I have to have a doubt on this at the moment, even though I have now labelled my file as you said.

Equally, we all kept on calling the second the 'Commander look-alike', but it is not illustrated in the VW paper.

[teotp]

I recognised that dark Danaid from a butterfly book. (post 84)
It should be Euploea algea frusthoferi.

TL Seow:cheers:

Check through the Euploea algea subspecies in Yata & co-author's: Butterflies of SEA Islands vol II. I cann't find any subsp. frusthoferi. D'Abrera (1982) mentioned E. algea fruhstorferi in Butterflies of the Oriental Region vol 1, page 230. He pointed out it is similar to E. algea diana with the male sex brand more exaggerated and the white spots are obsolete and from central Sulawesi.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Check through the Euploea algea subspecies in Yata & co-author's: Butterflies of SEA Islands vol II. I cann't find any subsp. frusthoferi. D'Abrera (1982) mentioned E. algea fruhstorferi in Butterflies of the Oriental Region vol 1, page 230. He pointed out it is similar to E. algea diana with the male sex brand more exaggerated and the white spots are obsolete and from central Sulawesi.

Teo T P

Re Post #84, pics 3&4.

In VW&dJ, the subspecies from N. Sulawesi is E. algea kirbyi. Sorry, but I am slightly confused! What a lot of ssp. there are!

[teotp]

RE: #84

Les, I have not id the #84 yet. Here are my reply:
1. & 2. Male and female Cepora timnatha timnatha respectively.
3. & 4. Euploea algea kirbyi.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Thanks again. Still would not have recognised the Euploea sp!!!:) File name changed. Unlike anything I have come across in thid Genus. One more Euploea to show, from the Highlands, when we get there!

I won't show the ones I can identify, yet, other members of the group have photos, and they are far better photographers than I am! Have a rest:grin2: .

[teotp]

Teo, I note your comment concerning the Hesperiidae, and fully understand. However, I will continue posting mine on the other thread, just in case someone recognises any.

Thank you for your understanding.

Teo T P

[Silverstreak]

......:thinking: is there a better way to manage this thread to make it easier to follow.....???

As it is , it is very tedious , especially when images are as attachments, as these attachment cannot be quoted during the identification/explaination process, so Seow and Teo have to refer to the post.

Readers then have to shuffle to and fro from the identification post to the pictures which can be on a different page, where the attachment is a composite of a number of species.

Ideally the posted shots should be numbered as a quotable individual item , so that the identification process can be done together with the posted photo individually , this will make it much easier for everyone to follow.

What do you think?

or

Any other suggestion to make this more efficient and easier to follow??

Cheers!

[teotp]

RE: # 91.

Les, I have to ask the following questions before I post my reply for #91.
a. Why the underside of photo 2 so greenish and what is the original colour?
b. Where is Tangkoko region (North Sulawesi?)

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Re post 91, pic 2 -

I have reduced the green slightly, but it still looks very much as I remember it.

Tangkoko Nature reserve is about 1 1/2 hours drive east of Manado, N. Sulawesi, and it is an Estuarine Forest, on the eastern coast of this N.E. arm of the island, near Bitung.

[Painted Jezebel]

......:thinking: is there a better way to manage this thread to make it easier to follow.....???

As it is , it is very tedious , especially when images are as attachments, as these attachment cannot be quoted during the identification/explaination process, so Seow and Teo have to refer to the post.

Readers then have to shuffle to and fro from the identification post to the pictures which can be on a different page, where the attachment is a composite of a number of species.

Ideally the posted shots should be numbered as a quotable individual item , so that the identification process can be done together with the posted photo individually , this will make it much easier for everyone to follow.

What do you think?

or

Any other suggestion to make this more efficient and easier to follow??

Cheers!

Sunny, I understand what you are saying, but there is little that can be done when there are so many different species to be shown by a number of people.

That is why I started the seperate thread for the Hesperiidea, as I knew that they would make it very messy.

It is probably too late now, but we could have done one of two things:
1) Open threads for each location visited (Bogani Nani, Kali, Tangkoko and Minahasa) or
2) Open threads for the individual families.

We have not posted anything from the last named location, so I propose that we open a new thread just for the Highlands. What do you think? Will it help?

We certainly need to bear these two options in mind for future group outings.

[bluefin]

RE # 79

Beautiful shots and correct identification.

Teo T P

Thanks Teo. :)


On with the Pics,

1. Melanitis phedima linga

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7218/7270623552_727cc80de0_c.jpg



2. Cyrestis heracles heracles

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7098/7270626728_bdae1cb1fd_c.jpg


3. Cyrestis thyonneus celebensis

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7270631784_2e834159ce_c.jpg



4. Euploea hewitsonii hewitsonii.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8149/7270629048_fee5218c80_c.jpg


5. (L): Ideopsis juventa tontoliensis, (C): I. juventa tontoliensis and (R): Euploea algea kirbyi.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8166/7270631054_1c5797b8f6_c.jpg



6. Jamides fractilinea

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7221/7270629368_37e2d087c5_c.jpg

[bluefin]

1. Parantica cleona luciplena

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8158/7270784492_b27c582c07_c.jpg



2. Idea blanchardii blanchardii

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7233/7270783382_ceaeda2c57_c.jpg



3.Ideopsis vitrea vitrea (male)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7270627956_f75379db5e_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7217/7270627550_f73e7cc0fb_c.jpg



4. Graphium eurypylus pamphylus.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7233/7270625140_85b5d009b8_c.jpg



Cepora celebensis celebensis

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8025/7270622082_93f47ff9d6_c.jpg



Appias hombroni hombroni

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7227/7270634074_dddff4b22b_c.jpg



Appias zarinda zarinda

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8014/7270619814_b3fcc8f47a_c.jpg

[Painted Jezebel]

Nelson, I, too, noticed the difference in the shades of the two Cyrestis Post #105, (pics 2&3), but I had tentatively placed them both as Cyrestis thyonneus celebensis. I hope I am mistaken!

Here is the underside of the darker specimen.

[teotp]

Re post 91, pic 2 -

I have reduced the green slightly, but it still looks very much as I remember it.

Tangkoko Nature reserve is about 1 1/2 hours drive east of Manado, N. Sulawesi, and it is an Estuarine Forest, on the eastern coast of this N.E. arm of the island, near Bitung.

Thank you Les for the information.

RE 91:
1. & 2. Athyma libnites libnites.
3. & 4. Moduze lymire lymire.
5. & 6. Appias zarinda zarinda (female). Illustrated in: Yata et al, (2010) Systematic Entomology 35: 764-800, Fig. G & H; D'Abrera (1982) figures on page 159 & Yata et al, Butts. of SEA Islands vol 2 page 98, 1985.
7. Another photo of Danaus ismare alba.

Teo T P

Note for Aaron: Well done of the id on 1 to 4.

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank Aaron, Teo.

The female Appias zarinda zarinda was a surprise, I would never have guessed, thinking it was propably a Nymphalid!

I wonder if the females are as elusive as those of A. nero!

[atronox]

The Jamides sp. is interesting.
Can't be certain about the id but based on the configuration of the forewing striae i think it's closest to aratus or one of the related spp.

[atronox]

post #106
#1 Parantica cleona
#2 Idea blanchardii
#3 and #4 Ideopsis vitrea

[Psyche]

Post 64
4 is Orsotriaena jopas jopas. Note absent of tornal ocelli.

TL Seow:cheers:

[teotp]

Thanks Teo. :)


On with the Pics,

1.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7218/7270623552_727cc80de0_c.jpg

2.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7098/7270626728_bdae1cb1fd_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7270631784_2e834159ce_c.jpg

3.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8149/7270629048_fee5218c80_c.jpg


4.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8166/7270631054_1c5797b8f6_c.jpg

5
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7221/7270629368_37e2d087c5_c.jpg

1. Melanitis phedima linga.
2. Cyrestis heracles heracles.
3. Cyrestis thyonneus celebensis.
4. Euploea hewitsonii hewitsonii.
5. (L): Ideopsis juventa tontoliensis, (C): I. juventa tontoliensis and (R): Euploea algea kirbyi.
6. Jamides fractilinea.

Teo T P

[teotp]

1.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8158/7270784492_b27c582c07_c.jpg

2.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7233/7270783382_ceaeda2c57_c.jpg

3.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7270627956_f75379db5e_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7217/7270627550_f73e7cc0fb_c.jpg

4.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7233/7270625140_85b5d009b8_c.jpg



Cepora celebensis celebensis

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8025/7270622082_93f47ff9d6_c.jpg



Appias hombroni hombroni

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7227/7270634074_dddff4b22b_c.jpg



Appias zarinda zarinda

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8014/7270619814_b3fcc8f47a_c.jpg

1. Parantica cleona luciplena.
2. Idea blanchardii blanchardii.
3. Un. & Upp. Ideopsis vitrea vitrea (male).
4. Graphium eurypylus pamphylus.
The remaining: Well done Nelson.

Teo T P

(Note for Aaron: You are on the right track now, well done too.

[teotp]

Nelson, I, too, noticed the difference in the shades of the two Cyrestis Post #105, (pics 2&3), but I had tentatively placed them both as Cyrestis thyonneus celebensis. I hope I am mistaken!

Here is the underside of the darker specimen.


RE: # 107
Cyrestis thyonneus celebensis.

Teo T P

[teotp]

Post 64
4 is Orsotriaena jopas jopas. Note absent of tornal ocelli.

TL Seow:cheers:


RE: #64, 4.
Underside forewing has another ocellus in space 3 as well as underside hindwing with 4 ocelli. Orsotriaerna sp. has a prominent clear white stripe but the white stripe in photo with diffused outer margin. What do you think?

Teo T P

[Psyche]

RE: #64, 4.
Underside forewing has another ocellus in space 3 as well as underside hindwing with 4 ocelli. Orsotriaerna sp. has a prominent clear white stripe but the white stripe in photo with diffused outer margin. What do you think?

Teo T P

All the Mycalesis spp. have the tornal ocelli in space 1b.

The female of O. jopas have a diffuse band.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/butterflies/neotropica/sulawesi/images_large/Satyrinae/jopasF.jpg

O. medus have the usual big spots.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/butterflies/neotropica/sulawesi/images_large/Satyrinae/medusM.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. How do you differentiate between J. aratus & fractilinea? I find the undersides practically identical.

[Painted Jezebel]

Re post 113 - So the two Cyrestis specimens are different, Hooray!!! Thank you.:gbounce:

I think that, apart from my notorious post #64 Satyrid, we are up to date with IDs, so I can start posting again!

1&2) Pareronia tritaea tritaea (male)
3&4) Pareronia tritaea tritaea (female)
5&6) Papilio ascalaphus ascalaphus - Typical feeding Papilio, never still!
7&8) Vindula erota banta - though there is some talk of upgrading the Sulawesi specimens to a distict species which would be Vindula boetonensis banta!

[teotp]

All the Mycalesis spp. have the tornal ocelli in space 1b.

The female of O. jopas have a diffuse band.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/butterflies/neotropica/sulawesi/images_large/Satyrinae/jopasF.jpg

O. medus have the usual big spots.
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/butterflies/neotropica/sulawesi/images_large/Satyrinae/medusM.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. How do you differentiate between J. aratus & fractilinea? I find the undersides practically identical.

I cann't see the images of O. jopas and O. medus posted.

J. fractilinea has a bluish tinge (underside), larger and is from Sulawesi but J. aratus without any bluish, smaller as illustrated by D''Abrera and distributions are Malay Peninsula, Java, Sumatra, Borneo and Palawan (but 'DÁbrera have not indicated it is from Sulawesi). The forewing uppersides of males (the forewing marginal black stripe extended to the apex for J. fractilinea and without a submarginal faint black stripe) and females have more different features.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

I cann't see the images of O. jopas and O. medus posted.

J. fractilinea has a bluish tinge (underside), larger and is from Sulawesi but J. aratus without any bluish, smaller as illustrated by D''Abrera and distributions are Malay Peninsula, Java, Sumatra, Borneo and Palawan (but 'DÁbrera have not indicated it is from Sulawesi). The forewing uppersides of males (the marginal black stripe extended to the apex) and females have more different features.

Teo T P

I can't see them either.

VW&dJ gives J. aratus lunata from Sulawesi.

[teotp]

I can't see them either.

VW&dJ gives J. aratus lunata from Sulawesi.

Yes, I noticed it from VW & de J. Thanks Les.

DÁbrera illustrated the O. medus with only two and 3 ocelli on undersides of forewing and hindwing respectively.

Teo T P

(Additional note: Tornal ocellus is not the mean key for seperating the genera Mycalesis and Orsotriaena (C&P 4 page 118) and this is one reason why I don't want to id it.)

[Psyche]

I cann't see the images of O. jopas and O. medus posted.

J. fractilinea has a bluish tinge (underside), larger and is from Sulawesi but J. aratus without any bluish, smaller as illustrated by D''Abrera and distributions are Malay Peninsula, Java, Sumatra, Borneo and Palawan (but 'DÁbrera have not indicated it is from Sulawesi). The forewing uppersides of males (the forewing marginal black stripe extended to the apex for J. fractilinea and without a submarginal faint black stripe) and females have more different features.

Teo T P

Strange! The links work fine on my side.
Anyway there is an underside of a male O. jopas with the VW-DJ article at plate 10 fig 8. It has more smaller spots.

When Aaron ID'ed the Jamides tentatively as J. aratus, I did not realised there is another almost identical species.
Alan Cassidy an entomologist with Project Wallace to Sulawesi had posted images of both species.
J. fractilinea.
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamidesFractilineaMUpUnAC1.jpg

J. aratus lunata.
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamidesAratusLunataMFUpUnAC1.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

[teotp]

Strange! The links work fine on my side.
Anyway there is an underside of a male O. jopas with the VW-DJ article at plate 10 fig 8. It has more smaller spots.

When Aaron ID'ed the Jamides tentatively as J. aratus, I did not realised there is another almost identical species.
Alan Cassidy an entomologist with Project Wallace to Sulawesi had posted images of both species.
J. fractilinea.
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamidesFractilineaMUpUnAC1.jpg

J. aratus lunata.
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamidesAratusLunataMFUpUnAC1.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

Thanks Seow for pointing me to the Pl. 10 fig. 8 in VW & deJ. Submarginal ocelli varies between individuals within species/subspecies are very common for butterflies. Numerous research papers on the subject were published.

Yes, Alan C. Cassidy is one of the contributor of "Butterflies of Sulawesi" and he also worked with Brunei butterflies. Without the illustration of both J. fractilinea and J. aratus figured side by side by D'Abrera I will have to take a longer time to seperate them. (at least I can compare the size).

Teo T P

[teotp]

Strange! The links work fine on my side.
Anyway there is an underside of a male O. jopas with the VW-DJ article at plate 10 fig 8. It has more smaller spots.

When Aaron ID'ed the Jamides tentatively as J. aratus, I did not realised there is another almost identical species.
Alan Cassidy an entomologist with Project Wallace to Sulawesi had posted images of both species.
J. fractilinea.
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamidesFractilineaMUpUnAC1.jpg

J. aratus lunata.
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamidesAratusLunataMFUpUnAC1.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:

Malaysia has a better net work, Singapore too busy?

Another strange thing is A. C. Cassidy's J. fractilinea (male) show a faint submarginal band (running from space 4 on upperside forewing to the dorsum) beside the dark termen marginal border and J. aratus (male, collected by John Tennent) not, just the reverse for D''Abrera's illustrations. But J. fractilinea is larger and darker blue is the same.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Dear Seow, Teo,

Please do not over exercise your considerable brain cells on my behalf regarding the Satyrid in Post #64. My shot is too bad, for it to warrant such hard work!

Regarding the Jamides sp. (post #113, last pic), I have checked my 3 photos of the species to see if I had anything extra that may help, but, no, Nelson's shot is by the far best and most revealling, we did not manage an upperside shot. I can not really give any indication of size. It did not appear overly large or small, just an average sized Jamides sp. I have, consequently, labelled the species file with both possibilities for the time being.

[teotp]

Re post 113 - So the two Cyrestis specimens are different, Hooray!!! Thank you.:gbounce:

I think that, apart from my notorious post #64 Satyrid, we are up to date with IDs, so I can start posting again!

This is to compensate one of the photo you neglected: Either Eurema blanda norbana or E. tomina tomina.

RE: # 118.

1. & 2. Pareronia tritaea tritaea (male).
3. & 4. Pareronia tritaea tritaea (female).
5. & 6. Papilio ascalaphus ascalaphus.
7. & 8. As id.

I typed out the names because you neglected all the "a"s.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

I typed out the names because you neglected all the "a"s.

Teo T P

Oops! Thnk you. I obviously hve something ginst tht letter!:grin2: Duly corrected.

[Silverstreak]

Ops! Les looks like you need a new keyboard or alternately try strip the keyboard to clean the contact on letter " a ".:bsmile:


Oops! Thnk you. I obviously hve something ginst tht letter! Duly corrected.

[teotp]

Few shots from the first day, at Bogani Nani (Wartabone) National Park, in the forest:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7239138944_d977005a89_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239138944/)
UnID Satyrinae (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239138944/)

RE: # 20.

Note: Identification of all Lohora species were mainly based on publication of Vane-Wright & Heleen Fermon (2003). Taxonomy and identification of Lohora Moore (Lepidoptera: Satyrinae). the Sulawesi bush browns. Invertebrate Systematics vol.17: 129-141.

3. Lohora ophthalimicus (male).

Teo T P

[teotp]

Relating to posts 27 & 28, here are two specimens, which may be the same species. The first was taken at Bogani Nani, c.200m, the second was in Minahasa Highlands ar c. 1000m. Notice the difference in the inner submarginal line on the hindwing.

RE: #44.

Lohora ophthalimicus: 1. male and 2. female. (Refs. Invertebrate Systematics 17: 129-141, 2003; D'Abrera Butts. of Oriental Region II, page 449, 1985).

Teo T P

[atronox]

When Aaron ID'ed the Jamides tentatively as J. aratus, I did not realised there is another almost identical species.
Alan Cassidy an entomologist with Project Wallace to Sulawesi had posted images of both species.
J. fractilinea.
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamidesFractilineaMUpUnAC1.jpg

J. aratus lunata.
http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JamidesAratusLunataMFUpUnAC1.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:
After viewing the links, i realise that this live specimen looks almost identical to the pinned female of aratus (i'm assuming that the live specimen is female based on the shape of the forewing and the very slight peek at the upperside of the forewing) in that:

- the two outermost postdiscal striae in spaces 6 and 7 of the hindwing are slightly misaligned in the live specimen and the pinned female aratus (connected in fractilinea)

- the two postdiscal striae in the same space as the orange tornal spot are perfectly aligned with those in the spaces above and below in the live specimen and the pinned female aratus (dislocated in fractilinea)

Seems like it's closer to a female aratus.

Of course my assumption that the live specimen is female might well be wrong in the first place and in any case the only fractilinea i'm comparing with is male. Also the configuration of the striae in male and female aratus is totally different (?!?!)

[Painted Jezebel]

Some more, but I am getting towards the end of this part of the trip.

1&2) The only Riodinid we came across, Abisara kausambi sabina - CORRECTION - Abisara echerius bugiana
3) Hypolycaena sipylus giscon - I have tried to reduce the pinkish wash caused by reflection of the flash from the plant it was sitting on. This is as far as I could get without completely ruining the butt!
4) This may be an Antheme sp. Note the 3 pairs of small tails on the hindwing. - UPDATE- Anthene lycaenina ssp.
5) No idea! - UPDATE- Catopryops ancyra subfestivus
5) Also help needed. (Found in my Zizina otis file, but the hindwing submarginal markings are different. - UPDATE - Udara dilecta thoria
7) A Jamides sp. - UPDATE - Jamides celeno optimus

Only four 'record purposes only' photos left, from me, before I start on the Highlands photos.

[Silverstreak]

Post #132


5) No idea!

Looks almost identical to Catopyrops ancyra (Ancyra Blue) with stumps of the tail left.

http://www.butterflycircle.com/checklist%20V2/CI/index.php/start-page/startpage/showbutterfly/154

[Silverstreak]

Perhaps you all already know this :

If an image is hosted at some photo-hosting site or as an attachment to a site, to attach or quote it into your post as a link you insert the image url for example(with or without the URL tag) :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239138944/

and it will appear as a link, like below , that require readers to click on it to open a new page to view it :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/7239138944/




To insert it as an image in your quote use the image tag URL address , for example :

http://www.butterflycircle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18832&stc=1&d=1338168696

and it will appear as a picture, this will make understanding the context of the text much easier.

http://www.butterflycircle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18832&stc=1&d=1338168696

To get the image url of the picture you intend to quote , hover mouse over the intended shot and right click to copy the image url .

If the picture is in a composite attachment , it will be more tedious , you will have to hover your mouse exactly over the shot in the composite to make sure you you get the correct picture's URL and then add the image tag and before and after the URL to post it as a picture. This is applicable to posting and quoting picture within BC. Some sites disable right click on their picture attachments to prevent copyright infringement.

For your consideration, as this will make reading and understanding the identification process more efficient.

cheers!

[Painted Jezebel]

Post #132

Looks almost identical to Catopyrops ancyra (Ancyra Blue) with stumps of the tail left.


Thank you. I have not seen this species in the wild before, it certainly looks more or less identical. There are two species of Catopyrops from the Sulawesi region, but only C. ancyra subfestivus is from the North.

[atronox]

post #132
#4 Anthene villosa; shape of forewing subapical band rules out the other two spp. on Sulawesi.

[atronox]

Oh gosh another Jamides:bsmile:
Probably celeno or a related sp.

[bluefin]

1. Danaus genutia leucoglene

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7278376412_c2e661f156_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8021/7278326292_3536aa6839_z.jpg


2. Libythea geoffroyi celebensis

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7104/7278237096_a922acb104_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7236/7278230388_e1ab4a71ae_z.jpg


3. Hypolimnas diomea diomea

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/7285016358_8e6e0ea511_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7084/7285015346_e9eae8d7e3_z.jpg

[bluefin]

1. Anthene lycaenina

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8022/7285014418_91fc6d00f6_c.jpg


2. Everes lacturnus.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8027/7285018670_5f3302accc_c.jpg


3. Jamides celeno optimus

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7285003266_e5610c61da_c.jpg

4. Catopyrops ancyra subfestivus.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7285103392_355d11ab6b_c.jpg



Cyrestis thyonneus celebensis

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7084/7285012118_56b4ea23a8_c.jpg



Pareronia tritaea tritaea (male)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8146/7285008880_1957682201_c.jpg



Hypolycaena sipylus giscon

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7285017928_c0e0b9876e_c.jpg

[Silverstreak]

Post # 139


Likely Everes lacturnus ?

All markings matches and the species has its tails at the vein below the second tonal spot

2.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8027/7285018670_5f3302accc_c.jpg


Looks like a better condition Catopyrops ancyra

4.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7285103392_355d11ab6b_c.jpg

[teotp]

Some more, but I am getting towards the end of this part of the trip.

1&2) The only Riodinid we came across, Abisara kausambi sabina
3) Hypolycaena sipylus giscon - I have tried to reduce the pinkish wash caused by reflection of the flash from the plant it was sitting on. This is as far as I could get without completely ruining the butt!
4) This may be an Antheme sp. Note the 3 pairs of small tails on the hindwing.
5) No idea!
5) Also help needed. (Found in my Zizina otis file, but the hindwing submarginal markings are different.
7) A Jamides sp.

Only four 'record purposes only' photos left, from me, before I start on the Highlands photos.

RE: #132.

1. & 2. Abisara echerius bugiana (male).
3. Same as id.
4. Anthene lycaenina.
5. Catopyrops ancyra subfestivus.
7. Jamides celeno optimus.

6. This butterfly belongs to the Lycaenopsis group. I have to go through the keys in "Blue butterflies of the Lycaenopsis group - by J. N. Eliot & A. Kawazoe" and will let you know the id later.

Teo T P

Les, IF YOU HAVE A UPPERSIDE FOR 6., PLEASE SHOW IT.

6. Udara dilecta thoria.

Teo T P

[Glorious Begum]

moved to http://www.butterflycircle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12823 :embrass:

[Glorious Begum]

moved to http://www.butterflycircle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12823

[teotp]

1.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/7278376412_c2e661f156_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8021/7278326292_3536aa6839_z.jpg


2. This looks like the butterfly with the snout.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7104/7278237096_a922acb104_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7236/7278230388_e1ab4a71ae_z.jpg


3.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/7285016358_8e6e0ea511_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7084/7285015346_e9eae8d7e3_z.jpg

RE# 138.

1. & 2. Danaus genutia leucoglene.
5. & 6. Hypolimnas diomea diomea..

Nelson: It is Libythea species. Any uppersides for 3. and 4. Are they the same specimen?

Teo T P

3. & 4. Libythea geoffroyi celebensis. Igarashi & Fukuda (2000) documented and also illustrated it's life history (Plate 238, page 532).

Teo T P

[bluefin]

RE# 138.

1. & 2. Danaus genutia leucoglene.
5. & 6. Hypolimnas diomea diomea..

Nelson: It is Libythea species. Any uppersides for 3. and 4. Are they the same specimen?

Teo T P

Unfortunately there are no upperside shots. This one is very skittish and those are already highly cropped pictures.

Thanks Teo. :cheers:

[atronox]

4. Anthene lycaenina.
Teo T P
Hi, Mr Teo, i double checked with the funet website and d' abrera, the only Anthene on Sulawesi are licates, philo and villosa:)

[teotp]

1. Anthene lycaenina

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8022/7285014418_91fc6d00f6_c.jpg


2.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8027/7285018670_5f3302accc_c.jpg


3.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7285003266_e5610c61da_c.jpg

4. Catopyrops ancyra subfestivus.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8002/7285103392_355d11ab6b_c.jpg



Cyrestis thyonneus celebensis

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7084/7285012118_56b4ea23a8_c.jpg



Pareronia tritaea tritaea (male)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8146/7285008880_1957682201_c.jpg



Hypolycaena sipylus giscon

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7285017928_83f621e544_c.jpg

RE: # 139.

2. Everes lacturnus.
3. Jamides celeno optimus.
Others: As id.

Teo T P

[teotp]

Hestinalis divona

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143616246.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/143616247.jpg

Beautiful photos of Hestinalis divona, especially the yellow proboscis in second picture. Excellent, LC!

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Hi, Mr Teo, i double checked with the funet website and d' abrera, the only Anthene on Sulawesi are licates, philo and villosa:)

There are four species on Sulawesi. A. licates, A. philo, A. villosa and A. lycaenina. (Vane-Wright and de Jong 2003).

LC, your posts #142 & 143 show species from the Highlands, can you repost them on the thread deliberately set up for that area after Sunny's statement that this thread was too messy!

There are only two members of the Libythea (Beaks) on Sulawesi. From the suffused markings, this looks more like L. geoffroy celebensis, to me.

[Painted Jezebel]

Re Post #132 and reply #141.

Thanks very much for the IDs. And I was so sure of the Abisara sp. (pics 1&2)! Duly corrected.

Sorry, no upperside of the Udara sp.

[teotp]

Hi, Mr Teo, i double checked with the funet website and d' abrera, the only Anthene on Sulawesi are licates, philo and villosa:)

Les answered on behalf, Aaron. (See # 149.)

Teo T P

[teotp]

Unfortunately there are no upperside shots. This one is very skittish and those are already highly cropped pictures.

Thanks Teo. :cheers:

Id of 3. and 4. posted (see edited #138).

Teo T P

[teotp]

Re Post #132 and reply #141.

Thanks very much for the IDs. And I was so sure of the Abisara sp. (pics 1&2)! Duly corrected.

Sorry, no upperside of the Udara sp.

Thank you Les for answering Aaron's question for me.

Apprently you missed one of the striae between the large postdiscal white band and the termen.

Is all right. The undersides of the Udara photo is enough for me to id it as J. N. Eliot and A. Kawazoe gave detailed seperation keys in their book for this species with both upperside and underside illustrations. Is me wanted to see the upperside.

Teo T P

[Glorious Begum]

I find hard to trace the corect ID as there were a few correction here and there.

Appreciate if you could go back to your picture and update with correct name. Thanks to all. :cheers:

[Glorious Begum]

It is a highlight of the trip to sight the below 2 Graphium. :redbounce
Hopefully I get the ID right for both. :)

Graphium rhesus is of similar size to the Five Bar Swordtail and it only stops intermittently, it simply does not pay attention to our Formula B. Graphium androcles is huge and it will definitely make its presence felt when in flight. it also does not give a hoot to the Formula B.

Hopefully we will be able to get a picture of Graphium dorcus butungensis and also have better shots of the below 2 when we visit Sulawesi again. (Most Probably South Sulawesi) :cheers:



Graphium rhesus rhesus

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8025/7258554422_c349535897_c.jpg




Graphium androcles androcles

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7258555064_02f6dede38_c.jpg

Very nice Nelson, I missed both also. :-(

[bluefin]

Very nice Nelson, I missed both also. :-(

Thanks LC. No problem lah, we go back and nail these two. :)


:cheers:

[bluefin]

Thanks again to Teo, Seow, Aaron, Sunny and Les for spending your invaluable time and knowledge in IDing the butties. :)

:cheers:

[Painted Jezebel]

My last 3 for this particular thread.

1) An Allotinus species - I do not expect an ID, this is just to confirm we saw one!
2) Cethosia sp. - Normally, on Samui, I find this Genus to be excellent models. This one was different, refusing to come down to a decent height.
3) A beautiful butterfly, Papilio peranthus insulicola, or it would be if pristine. This was the only one we saw who posed. It was not uncommon, but every one we saw was flying fast, so we have had to make do with this very worn specimen!

[atronox]

Lacewing is Cethosia myrina myrina:)

[atronox]

There are four species on Sulawesi. A. licates, A. philo, A. villosa and A. lycaenina. (Vane-Wright and de Jong 2003).
Oops, sry about that; wasn't aware that lycaenina was recorded recently from Sulawesi.:)

[teotp]

My last 3 for this particular thread.

1) An Allotinus species - I do not expect an ID, this is just to confirm we saw one!
2) Cethosia sp. - Normally, on Samui, I find this Genus to be excellent models. This one was different, refusing to come down to a decent height.
3) A beautiful butterfly, Papilio peranthus insulicola, or it would be if pristine. This was the only one we saw who posed. It was not uncommon, but every one we saw was flying fast, so we have had to make do with this very worn specimen!

RE: # 158.

1. Allotinus sp.
2. Cehtosia myrina myrina.
3. Papilio peranthus adamantius.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

RE: # 158.

3. Papilio peranthus adamantius.

Teo T P

So correct. Why I got the ssp. wrong here, I have no idea. Brain in overload!!?

[teotp]

So correct. Why I got the ssp. wrong here, I have no idea. Brain in overload!!?

Overloaded with photos and busy of corrections. Do it slowly Les.

Teo T P

[moloch]

This has been an excellent thread with so much information and photos. I think that seeing those two Graphium sp. alone would have made the trip for me.

Regards,

[teotp]

After viewing the links, i realise that this live specimen looks almost identical to the pinned female of aratus (i'm assuming that the live specimen is female based on the shape of the forewing and the very slight peek at the upperside of the forewing) in that:

- the two outermost postdiscal striae in spaces 6 and 7 of the hindwing are slightly misaligned in the live specimen and the pinned female aratus (connected in fractilinea)

- the two postdiscal striae in the same space as the orange tornal spot are perfectly aligned with those in the spaces above and below in the live specimen and the pinned female aratus (dislocated in fractilinea)

Seems like it's closer to a female aratus.

Of course my assumption that the live specimen is female might well be wrong in the first place and in any case the only fractilinea i'm comparing with is male. Also the configuration of the striae in male and female aratus is totally different (?!?!)

I wrote to Professor Vane-Wright about the Jamides fractilinea and J. aratus. He referred me to Drs. Andrew Rawlins and John Tennent (unfortunately he is out station and will be back next month) of NHM as both of them are working with Jamides species. I requested a photo from Nelson and sent it to A. Rawlins. Reply received from A. Rawlins and his colleagues pointed out that it is difficult to separate the two species and also male or female with only one underside photo.
I would like to amend the id as: Jamides sp (?fractilines or aratus).

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you for that ,Teo. I was going to do the same thing, (but was a bit worried that Prof. Vane-Wright may have been too busy.) but only after everyone had finished posting, as I do have a couple of other questions concerning one or two of other species.

Andrew had told me, a while back, that he was working on the Jamides, yet I had forgotton.:thumbsdow

Fortunately, I had already posted the photo of this species on my site stating both species.

[teotp]

Thank you for that ,Teo. I was going to do the same thing, (but was a bit worried that Prof. Vane-Wright may have been too busy.) but only after everyone had finished posting, as I do have a couple of other questions concerning one or two of other species.

Andrew had told me, a while back, that he was working on the Jamides, yet I had forgotton.:thumbsdow

Fortunately, I had already posted the photo of this species on my site stating both species.

Not at all Les. Prof. Vane-Wright always found time in his very busy schedule to help me with many things and for that my sincere gratitude to him. Yes, Andrew, John and colleagues are carried out extensive works on Jamides species. Just hope that they will publish some review about this genus in the near future.

Teo T P

[teotp]

Relating to posts 27 & 28, here are two specimens, which may be the same species. The first was taken at Bogani Nani, c.200m, the second was in Minahasa Highlands ar c. 1000m. Notice the difference in the inner submarginal line on the hindwing.

RE: #44

2. ID as Lohora sp instead of female L. ophthalmicus.

Thank you Les for pointing out my mistake. My apology.

Teo T P

[Painted Jezebel]

Blast, we missed it!

"12 September-18 September 2012

According to the Darwin VAAC, ground-based observers reported that on 15 September an ash plume from Lokon-Empung rose to an altitude of 3 km (10,000 ft) a.s.l. On 15 September satellite imagery showed an ash plume drifting 185 km SE.

Source: Darwin Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre (VAAC)

19 September-25 September 2012

According to the Darwin VAAC, ground-based observers reported that on 21 September an ash plume from Lokon-Empung rose to an altitude of 3 km (10,000 ft) a.s.l. Ash was not identified in satellite imagery.

Source: Darwin Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre (VAAC)

3 October-9 October 2012

According to the Darwin VAAC, CVGHM reported that on 6 October an ash plume from Lokon-Empung rose to an altitude of 3.7 km (12,000 ft) a.s.l.; the plume altitude was determined by wind data. A thermal anomaly was detected in satellite imagery. According to a news article, an eruption at 1405 on 7 October ejected incandescent tephra as high as 350 m above the crater and generated an ash plume that rose 1.5 km. The article also noted that Lokon-Empung had erupted 41 times in September and three times on 5 October.

Sources: Darwin Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre (VAAC), The Jakarta Globe"