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hectonichus
10-Apr-2012, 10:23 PM
May you help me to identifly this butterfly?:) :)

Thank you. :bsmile:

Psyche
11-Apr-2012, 10:03 AM
It is Battus polydamas the Gold-rimmed Swallowtail, an American species.

TL Seow:cheers:

Psyche
11-Apr-2012, 03:37 PM
Oops! It is not Battus polydamas which have red spotted body & more white on the forewing.
This should be the correct one.Battus lycidas..
http://www.google.com.my/imgres?imgurl=http://butterfliesofamerica.com/images/Papilionidae/Papilioninae/Battus_lycidas/Battus%2520lycidas__GC_052104_Rio_Cristolino_Lodge _Mato_Grosso_Brazil_022%2520V.jpg&imgrefurl=http://butterfliesofamerica.com/battus_lycidas_live1.htm&usg=__7gb9vp24RvVwGvwPA64nocBHPP8=&h=600&w=840&sz=223&hl=en&start=3&zoom=1&tbnid=TyiaDGFFFm6jDM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=145&ei=mByFT7qaCoy3rAf85-3SBg&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522battus%2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%2 6gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. It is not B. lycidas either as lycidas have a white upper abdomen.
Sorry, I think I have bitten off more than I can chew.
There are too many to compare one by one.

moloch
11-Apr-2012, 07:34 PM
I have looked through the fieldguide to North American butterflies and cannot find a match. As Seow indicated, it resembles Battus polydamas but the body colour is not correct.

I tried an excellent online resource:
http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/t/Papilionidae_a.htm

Once again, I could find no matches. Maybe this is a central or South American species?


Regards,

hectonichus
11-Apr-2012, 07:56 PM
Thank you!

But ... I have carefully checked in the site you proposed ... what about :hmmm: :hmmm:

Battus laodamas copanae ??

see http://butterfliesofamerica.com/imagehtmls/Papilionidae/Battus_laodamas_copanae_F_MEXICO_CHIAPAS_Bonapak_1 3-V-2010_BERTHET_1_i.htm

and

http://butterfliesofamerica.com/imagehtmls/Papilionidae/03-SRNP-3710-DHJ97461_i.htm


Your confirmation or comments is greatly appreciated.

Ciao.:grin2: :grin2: :grin2:

Psyche
11-Apr-2012, 09:50 PM
Thank you!

But ... I have carefully checked in the site you proposed ... what about :hmmm: :hmmm:

Battus laodamas copanae ??

see http://butterfliesofamerica.com/imagehtmls/Papilionidae/Battus_laodamas_copanae_F_MEXICO_CHIAPAS_Bonapak_1 3-V-2010_BERTHET_1_i.htm

and

http://butterfliesofamerica.com/imagehtmls/Papilionidae/03-SRNP-3710-DHJ97461_i.htm


Your confirmation or comments is greatly appreciated.

Ciao.:grin2: :grin2: :grin2:

You got it right. A perfect match to the mounted specimen right down to the white spots on the underside of the abdomen.
As you can see the field shot individual looks different enough to be something else.

TL Seow:cheers:

hectonichus
12-Apr-2012, 01:32 AM
May be I have the solution.

The monted specimen of Battus loadamas copanae

http://butterfliesofamerica.com/imagehtmls/Papilionidae/03-SRNP-3710-DHJ97461_i.htm

comes from the following original site

http://janzen.sas.upenn.edu/Wadults/resultsadultphoto.lasso?photocode%20dotj=DHJ97461. j

where it is named Battus ingenuus - female (the males should have a white dorsal body).

What a mess!!

Awaiting for your kind eventual comments, thanks a lot to everybody. :grin2: :grin2: :grin2:

Psyche
12-Apr-2012, 09:10 PM
What a mess!!
:grin2: :grin2: :grin2:

I seem to have gotten deeper into this mess.
The undersides are so alike that it is very confusing.

I think the following can be discounted.
B. polydamas. Body spotted red.
B. eracon. additional pale spots between the red submarginal spots.
B. lycidas. long forewing; usually no white spots.(probably should not have white spots on hindwing)
B. crassus. no white submarginal spots.

This leaves B. laodamas, & B. ingenuus (also considered a ssp. of B. belus.)

I think B. laodamas should only have lunulate red spots, & no white spots. It is possible that the specimens bred by Janzen in Costa Rica have been wrongly captioned after the images were transferred.(original drawings of several laodamas subspecies show no white spots on the hindwing.)
I cannot see any difference between them(Janzen's specimens) and the B. ingenuus specimens on the same site.

I think your image is that of B. ingenuus female.

TL Seow:cheers:

hectonichus
13-Apr-2012, 02:22 AM
Great!!!!:grin2: Thanks a lot to everybody!!:grin2: :grin2: :gbounce: :jumjoy:

moloch
13-Apr-2012, 05:17 AM
I noticed that the B. ingenuus was from Guanacaste Province in Costa Rica. I thought that you might be interested in a few habitat shots of the area where this butterfly lives. In 1980, I spent several months there working on a research project at Rancho Palo Verde along the Tempisque River. This part of Costa Rica is monsoonal and the habitat is known as tropical deciduous forest. Most of the trees loose their leaves at the end of the dry season. I stayed at this reserve in December and January, early in the dry season. The trees still had leaves at the time.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/moloch05/Costa%20Rica/1980/habitatPaloVerde8-1.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/moloch05/Costa%20Rica/1980/habitatPaloVerde11.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/moloch05/Costa%20Rica/1980/habitatPaloVerde7.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/moloch05/Costa%20Rica/1980/habitatPaloVerde10.jpg

I saw many interesting birds and butterflies during my visit. The marshes were full of waterfall, in particular these Black-bellied Whistling Ducks:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c386/moloch05/Costa%20Rica/1980/habitatPaloVerde19.jpg


Regards,

hectonichus
13-Apr-2012, 07:33 PM
Hi David. You really have had a beautiful experiance in Costarica!

I have appreciated your pictures of the habitat. What about authorizing me the add one habitat picture - quoting yourself as author - in Wikipedia English, where I have already posted my image of Battus ingenuus?

I have also view your album in Flickr. How many splendid images of Australian Butterflies!! Furthermore, in only a couple of week you succeded to shot nice photos of Italian Butterflies that I have found only after some years!

Ciao and thank you again.

Ettore Balocchi
Genova, Italy

My albums: https://picasaweb.google.com/101046371556261275578

moloch
14-Apr-2012, 09:00 AM
Hi David. You really have had a beautiful experiance in Costarica!

What about authorizing me the add one habitat picture - quoting yourself as author - in Wikipedia English, where I have already posted my image of Battus ingenuus?



Sure, that is fine if they are useful to you.

Ettore,
My wife and I had a fantastic time in Italy and hope to return in September 2013. We will probably go back to our favourite places at Amalfi, Assisi and Florence. Italy is a beautiful place!

Regards,