Rapala domitia domitia (Yellow Flash)???

[Silverstreak]

Rapala domitia domitia (Yellow Flash)????http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Sunny-Chir---EOS-1D-Mark-III--08_08_2011--1044.jpgPartial upper shothttp://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/Sunny-Chir---EOS-1D-Mark-III--08_08_2011--1041.jpgCheers!

[Silverstreak]

Fore wing does not have the normal black markings associated with Yellow Flash

It has all the features of a Rapala ....I think it is a female Rapala suffusa barthema C&P4 Plate 50 , fig 29

Seow,

Your assistance will be much appreciated


Cheers!

[Psyche]

I have been trying to find a way the tell Scarlet Flash & the Suffused Flash apart, and haven't quite succeeded.

At least in the female one is yellow and the other is buff though it can be very difficult to judge these 2 colour on the screen.
One possible difference is that in the Suffused Flash the forewing line arched towards the costa, while in the Scarlet Flash it is nearly parallel to the margin.

This should be the Suffused Flash.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Silverstreak]

Thanks Seow for the speedy reply.

Note :One possible difference is that in the Suffused Flash the forewing line arched towards the costa, while in the Scarlet Flash it is nearly parallel to the margin.


Cheers!

[Psyche]

I have checked again and the premise is wrong. There is too much individual variations.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Psyche]

Have found the differences between the two Flashes.

Suffused Flash: Male: both hindwing tornal bands light orange: green patch with a black smudge at corner.
Female : underside strongly yellow-tinged or distinctly yellow; hindwing postdiscal line peak tend to be high; tornal bands orange.

Scarlet Flash:
Male: both hindwing tornal bands light greyish brown; green patch without black smudge.
Female : underside pale buff brown (very light brownish with faint hint of yellow); hindwing postdiscal line peak tend to be low & flat; tornal bands also orangey.

These need fine-tuning.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Psyche]

After going through the Yutaka and Rapala websites I have to say your pics here should be the gold standard to ID the female of Rapala suffusa.

It looks like she is much the rarer of the two.

The revised ID guide should be.

Suffused Flash female: underside distinctly yellow to tawny yellow.

Scarlet Flash female: underside pale buff brown (a very pale brown with a yellowish tinge).

TL Seow:cheers:

[Silverstreak]

Thank You Seow for spending time on this !

Yes it was the first time I encountered the female and it was as yellow as the Yellow flash , my brain was on neutral mode when I posted it thinking it was a Yellow Flash.;P

After walking away from the keyboard I felt something was amiss with this ""Yellow Flash "" as it does not have the black markings on the forewing of a Yellow Flash, hence returned to take another look and opened the C&P4.:bsmile:

Horace,

You haves successfully bred the Suffused Flash (http://butterflycircle.blogspot.com/2008/02/life-history-of-suffused-flash-rapala.html)from Sugel Buloh Wetland Reserves, have you encountered a female in such coloration it appears that they are very different in the degree of yellow..

Cheers!

[horace2264]

Horace,

You haves successfully bred the Suffused Flash (http://butterflycircle.blogspot.com/2008/02/life-history-of-suffused-flash-rapala.html)from Sugel Buloh Wetland Reserves, have you encountered a female in such coloration it appears that they are very different in the degree of yellow..

Cheers!
I only managed to breed one male specimen (the pic of which is featured here) (http://www.butterflycircle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6350). Will try to breed this species again if given the chance. :)

[Silverstreak]

Horace and Seow ,

This what I meant on the color difference ......

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/Schir/SNAG_Program-0045.jpg

[Psyche]

Horace and Seow ,

This what I meant on the color difference ......


In hindsight, it is now possible to ID the ovipositing female as a Scarlet Flash.
Here is an old pic by Khew to show how yellow the underside is.
http://www.butterflycircle.org/lycaenidae/suffusa.htm

TL Seow:cheers:

[Silverstreak]

Dr. Seow ,

A better shot of the Female Suffused Flash ( Rapala suffusa barthema ) we identified in 2011

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a288/SunnyChir/Sunny-Chir--1D4-039637_zpsbb57c344.png (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/SunnyChir/media/Sunny-Chir--1D4-039637_zpsbb57c344.png.html)

[Psyche]

The colour change in photos can be very confusing, but here is Federick's female dieneces for comparison.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MXyKNxjlooM/Uvd5DJWDgSI/AAAAAAAANsM/niNXmLK8B_o/s1600/JPEG-Image-(80680)+Scarlet+Flash.jpg

TL Seow:cheers:
PS. I now have a better idea of what these two should look like.
R. dieneces ; orange around the black spot smaller & better defined by black; cilia tends to be dark brown.
Male & female.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ca3djKvy5NY/T6ew2H0RtvI/AAAAAAAAFzU/RCwL9W3TwKY/s640/DSC0136+Scarlet+Flash.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0EK80AsaR7g/TJN3Kq5coyI/AAAAAAAADY8/jm51yhE1y4I/s400/DSC6215+Suffused+Flash.jpg

R. suffussa: orange around the black spot extended out & diffuse ; cilia tend to be orangey(variable). Female distinctly yellow/orangey-yellow.
Males.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XfgDly7ApOY/Tj1ikndS2AI/AAAAAAAAEkY/9Jeay-oTAwc/s1600/DSC1319%2BSuffused%2BFlash.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yzw2AzY2du4/R7b5bQuwM4I/AAAAAAAAAu0/6-YWLwKfUSI/s400/SF_Adult_M_3.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l5DfphT9onk/UhBUItnOUYI/AAAAAAAALu4/yF1Do2C4g40/s1600/HFH7121+Scarlet+Flash+(R+dieneces).jpg.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh146/log1t3ch/DSC_9045a.jpg

[milind bhakare]

a suspected P.dieneces from Garo Hills, Meghalaya, India for id confirmation
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[Psyche]

Post 14.

I am afraid this does not match the R. dieneces seen in South-east Asia.
The hindwing black spot in space 2 is flattened & surrounded by orange; forewing dark line curve in at upper end.
It matches the image of R. hades in Butterflies of the Malay Peninsula Plate 63. fig 16.

No correct image on the web.
This is a drawn one. The marginal spots are absent in the photo image from the reference book.
This rare species is known from Myanmar, Indochina, Malaya & Borneo.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/HadesNiceville1895.JPG/260px-HadesNiceville1895.JPG

TL Seow:cheers:

[milind bhakare]

thanks. another picture of the same specimen photographed at the same time by my friend Blaise. hope this helps further.
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[Psyche]

thanks. another picture of the same specimen photographed at the same time by my friend Blaise. hope this helps further.
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The upperside FW's extent of orange-red matched that of R. dieneces.
It should be correctly R. dieneces, just that the underside is different.

TL Seow:cheers:

[Angiud]

Took before yesterday at Sri Phang Nga National Park, Peninsular Thailand. Just one shot before flew away. It looks to me Rapala suffusa suffusa:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2311/13116708954_cd0b2fa066_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/13116708954/)
Rapala suffusa suffusa (http://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/13116708954/)

[Psyche]

Took before yesterday at Sri Phang Nga National Park, Peninsular Thailand. Just one shot before flew away. It looks to me Rapala suffusa suffusa:



The male suffusa does varies a bit on the underside & not always golden yellow.

TL Seow:cheers: