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    Sorry, Seow, can I be clear on this, we do still have H. albimacula on these little Islands of ours, don't we? It is just the series of pics you linked that was wrong, yes?

    A couple of papers are in preparation, so I have to get this right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel View Post
    Sorry, Seow, can I be clear on this, we do still have H. albimacula on these little Islands of ours, don't we? It is just the series of pics you linked that was wrong, yes?

    A couple of papers are in preparation, so I have to get this right.

    No problem here. What you have is H. albimacula.

    It is not uncommon in mainland Hongkong.
    So there is every chance it occurs right thru Indo-china.

    What I am trying to prove is that it is not H. chacedonyx. on both Koh Phrangan, and Koh Samui.
    The chance of H. chacedonyx in your island is extremely remote.

    TL Seow

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    Wonderful, that is what I hoped to see. Thank you.

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    Today another sighting of Horaga albimacula, in the Southermost part of Koh Phangan (KPG). A small and very shy butterfly, plus the strong wind of the North-East monsoon, has made difficult to take a good picture



    I have now given to Les another reason to come and visit me in KPG.

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    How dare you!!!!!!!! AGAIN!!

    We do have a problem here. Until a specimen is captured and held in an accepted collection, the presence of this species willl not be accepted as present in Thailand.

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    The only way to catch it (I don't have the proper equipment) is that you come here with your tools and (with a bit of luck) you get it.

    Today I'm sure they where 2 different, and almost the same spot (100 mt far) from my first catch).

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    The greatest mystery is that with a distribution from India to Taiwan and all the way to Sundaland, how had it escaped detection in Thailand.

    TL Seow

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    I found this specimen dead in my lounge this morning. Knowing my propensity for mucking up the setting of smaller speices, I photographed it, before I had a chance to ruin it.

    What species is this? (female I presume!)
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    It looks like you have found another new species.

    The wingshape indicates it is a female.
    The underside is rather like H. syrinx except for the marginal spots in space 3 & 4. (poor 0r absent in syrinx); white forelegs.

    Both H. syrinx & onyx have extensive blue in both sexes.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/83160001.html

    H. albimacula & chalcedonyx are both small species initially considered conspecific.

    H. albimacula :upperside brown without basal blue scales (all continental forms)
    : FW white spot do not extend below vein 2 (or barely); on the underside rapidly fades off below vein 2.
    HK.
    http://old.hkbutterfly.org/images/Horaga_albimacula.jpg
    http://images1.fotop.net/albums/ciel.../LO0706232.jpg
    India.
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...arya_aj909.jpg

    H. chalcedonyx.: Upperisde brown with blue basal scaling.
    Upperside FW white spot extends below vein 2.
    On the underside it also extend as a slightly narrower band below vein 2.

    So this specimen matches H. chalcedonyx quite well.

    TL Seow
    Female H. syrinx maenala.
    http://www.nss.org.sg/butterflies_li...php?img_id=618

    PS2. H. chalcedonyx. Singapore. Note white forelegs as in H. albimacula; FW white band narrower but extend broadly below vein 2.
    http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/q...la-Ambon-O.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 28-Jun-2014 at 12:15 AM. Reason: PS2.

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    Thank you very much. Horaga chalcedonyx had been my suspicion. It is now set (reasonably well for me!), and I will show you the result when dry. Wingspan is no more than 20mm.

    This ID makes me wonder if the second photo in post 1 may also be this species. If it is, then H. albimacula has only been seen in KPG, and H. chalcedonyx only found on Samui, both unrecorded species from Thailand!

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