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    Default ID request from Penang - March 2024

    Hello Dr Seow,
    Can please help me to id these observations. Thanks again. SL Liew


    #1A Curetis? black banded legs
    Near sea coast of Teluk Tempoyak, Penang Island - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200698912

    #1B Curetis bulis?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200493894

    #2A Tanaecia julii bouganvillei, female? or Euthalia merta, male?
    Penang Botanic Gardens - Jan 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200822661

    #2B Euploea phaenareta castelnaui? or Euploea camaralzeman malayica?
    Esen Beach Trail, Penang Island - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200698190
    video of same individual
    https://www.facebook.com/10000300814...98662375509171

    #3A Grass skipper?
    Penang Hill - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200188184

    #3B Grass skipper?
    Gua Tempurung, Gopeng, Perak - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/199633485


    #3C Grass skipper?
    Penang Botanic Gardens - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198633041

    #3D Grass skipper?
    Titi Hayun, near Yan, Kedah - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198299410

    #3D Grass skipper?
    Titi Hayun, near Yan, Kedah - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198299409

    #3D Grass skipper?
    Titi Hayun, near Yan, Kedah - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198299406

    #4A Zela?
    Penang Botanic Gardens - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201017303

    #4B Grass skipper?
    Penang Botanic Gardens - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200983730

    #5 Euthalia alpheda yamuna - female?
    Penang Botanic Gardens - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200255831

    #6 Euthalia alpheda yamuna - female?Penang Botanic Gardens - Jan 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200822666

    #7 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens - Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201085319

    #8 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200493901

    #9 Arphopala pseudomuta?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201083667

    #10 Arphopala pseudomuta?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201083666

    #11 Arphopala pseudomuta?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201083665


    #12 Arphopala pseudomuta?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200887586

    #13 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200887202

    #14 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200887202

    #15 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024

    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200885331

    #16 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Feb 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200255843

    #16 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Jan 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/196011983

    #17 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Jan 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193483544

    #18 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens Dec 2024
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193482556

    #19 Arhopala?
    Sungai Sedim, Kedah - Aug 2023
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/179975809

    #20 ?
    Jeram Linang Waterfalls, near Pasir Putih, Kelantan - July 2023
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/171438854

    #21 Arhopala?
    Specimen that I collected from Penang Botanic Garden - Apr 2023
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/155945509

    #22 Arhopala?
    Koh Yor Island, Songkhla, southern Thailand - Feb 2023
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147896834

    #23 Arhopala?
    Penang Botanic Gardens - Mar 2023
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151480388

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    #1A https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200698912

    Female Curetis tagalica.
    Fascia parallel to margin, irregular.Legs black-banded.
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Curetis-tagalica-jopa

    C. saronis .
    Fascia as in C. tagalica but legs banded red/orange to dark red-brown.
    https://wingscales.com/Lycaenidae/Cu...nis-indosinica
    Singapore female.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...Sunny-Chir.jpg



    #1B .https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200493894
    Male curetis bulis.
    UnH with postdiscal spot 6 tucked under spot 7; submarginal spot 6 & 7 in line.
    This upperside with extensive black areas on the HW is diagnostic.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...621/large.jpeg



    #2A. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200822661
    Female Tanaecia julii.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim2/720900010.html




    #2B .https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200698190
    Female Euploea phaenareta.
    E. phaenareta have large white spots on the FW apical area.
    In flight, the FW apices are noticeably white.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30740010.html
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/dan/30560010.html


    E. phaenareta is urbanised because one of its hostplant ,the Pong Pong Tree (Cerbera odollam) used to be planted as a roadside tree.
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    #3A .https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200188184
    Oerane microthyrus.
    Note white band with a small triangular white spot sticking out mid outer margin.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91810010.html



    #3B. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/199633485
    Isma miosticta.
    The antennal club has a white spot & the wing margins are weakly chequered.
    The arrangement are as in I. miosticta.
    Note spots are well separated & spot 2 have its apex cut off.
    https://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91950001.html



    #3C https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198633041
    Isma species, probably I. damocles.
    HW have large hyaline spots & is sort of rusty brown.
    Probable isma damocles.
    https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3714/...c68b13a6_c.jpg

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    #3D 1.https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198299410
    Male Pelopidas mathias.
    At first this look like Borbo cinnara missing a spot.
    There is a faint HW cellspot in the correct position, ie at the origins of veins 6 & 7.
    This can be compared to the image below (probably agna) which shows the spot clearly.
    https://baliwildlife.com/encyclopedi...branded-swift/
    The strong grey tinge IDed this as mathias.



    #3D,2. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198299409
    Male Caltoris malaya.
    There is no upper cellspot visible, & the pale area on the antenna minimal (mainly on the underside.).
    The male is ferruginous ie rusty-brown & the female more ochreous.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...M_adult_01.jpg
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...M_adult_04.jpg




    #3D,3 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/198299406
    Polytremis discreta.

    Two species are very similar with the HW spots arranged in a distinct manner.
    They also been transferred to another genus Zenonoida by some authors.

    P. discreta.
    Spots are whiter & HW tornal cilia whitish.
    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/P...creta-discreta

    P. eltola.
    The spots are usually slightly more yellowish & the HW tornal cilia yellow.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...964_235557.jpg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...mis_eltola.jpg

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    Last edited by Psyche; 06-Mar-2024 at 05:15 PM.

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    The alitaeus group of Arhopala.

    In a previous thread I called this the pseudomuta group, which is incorrect.
    The main species are A. alitaeus, pseudomuta, ariana, aida & elopura.

    A few more may be dismissed.ie A. arianaga (montain), sintanga & havilandi (mainly in the south.



    A.alitaeus . FW margin slightly rounded, spots large rounded &strongly contrasted.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...le_Chng_02.jpg

    [I]A. pseudomuta.[/I FW margin slightly rounded ,spots slightly rounded & moderately contrasted.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...1---Horace.jpg

    A. elopura. Fw margin slightly convex, spots with straight margins & poorly contrasted. Male UpF border a thread.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...raMUpUnAC1.jpg

    A. ariana. FW margin fairly straight; spots deeper contrasted than elopura, male UpF dark border narrow.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arhopa...naMUpUnAC1.jpg

    A. aida.FW margin straight ; markings narrower, ground may be purple washed; male UpF dark border broad.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arhopa...aMFUpUnAC1.jpg



    # 7 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201085319
    Uncertain. Too blur worn.

    # 8 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200493901
    Probably A. pseudomuta.
    FW margin rounded, markings moderately contrasted.

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    #9. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201083667
    #10 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201083666
    #11 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/201083665
    #12 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200887586

    These four have the markings as in A. pseudomuta.
    The FW margin is slightly rounded , the contrast moderate.
    They should be correct as A. pseudomuta.
    #12 has a slight aberration in tha HW postdiscal spot 6 is missing.

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    The amphimuta group, subgroup amphimuta.

    Four species are rather similar.

    Amphi.png

    A. amphimuta ;HW spot well-formed ;postdiscal band formed by spots 2,3,4,& 5 usually in line.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J9Xmngyim...+amphimuta.jpg

    A. major Hw v spot distorted & the postdiscal band is always dislocated.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...onathan_01.jpg
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...ederick_01.jpg

    Two other species are similar but always have a white dot on the HW tornal cilia.
    A. moolaiana.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-moolaiana.jpg

    A. norda.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...pala-norda.jpg



    #13,14 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200887202
    Female.
    #15 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200885331
    Male.
    #16a https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/200255843
    Female.
    #16b https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/196011983
    Female.

    All appear to be A. amphimuta.





    #17 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193483544
    #18 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/193482556

    Both should be A. pseudomuta.
    Last edited by Psyche; 06-Mar-2024 at 10:59 PM.

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    ##19 https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/179975809
    This have been delt before. It should be A. amphimuta.

    Pic 4. The upperside extensive blue is that of male A. amphimuta or moolaiana.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...070/large.jpeg

    Pic 1 seem to show a tornal white spot, but the spot is pink & looks to be part of the leaf blemish.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...826/large.jpeg

    pic 6.The same individual on the same leaf clearly shows there is no tornal white spot.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama.../original.jpeg

    pic 2. The upperside is that of a female, species uncertain & should not belong here.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama.../original.jpeg

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    #20. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/171438854
    Too blur to id.



    #21. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/155945509
    Probably male A. amphimuta.
    There does not seem to be a white tornal dot.
    Ideally the shot should be taken on a darker background.



    #22. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/147896834
    Likely male A. pseudomuta.
    The spots are more contrasted than usual, but otherwise a good match.



    #23. https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/151480388
    Should be male A. moolaiana.
    The upperside is that of A. amphimuta or moolaiana.

    There is a white tornal spot although a bit weak.

    A. moolaiana.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/24409929
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/65612962
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-moolaiana.jpg

    A. amphimuta. there are no example which shows even a trace of a tornal white spot . All Singapore examples.
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...t_Sunny_01.jpg
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yzw2AzY2d...la+-+Jason.jpg
    https://www.inaturalist.org/photos/105331668


    Many examples of A. major shows a trace of a white tornal spot.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xkuMajucB...jor+(male).jpg
    The male UpF have a broad brown border.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...-2---Tan-C.jpg


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 07-Mar-2024 at 08:23 PM.

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