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    This one have been identified by a moth specialist as Pseudosesia rufifinis.(rufifinis= red end.)
    It is the same species ,but without the yellow patches on the thorax.
    https://guatemala.inaturalist.org/observations/78287533


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS. The same specialist has named your current observation as just Pseudosesia ssp.
    So it is best to leave it as such.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/118123724
    PS2.
    Walker's original description as Sannina rufifinis based on a male from Sarawak.
    https://archive.org/details/journalo...p?view=theater
    Kallies' uploaded images fig 161-162.(images labelled wrongly?). Possibly 160 is P. rufifinis, & 161,162 are T. andrepiclera.
    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig9_343697577
    PS3.
    Based on this related species, the one with the yellow patches on the thorax is the female.
    http://lepidoptera.butterflyhouse.co...oberthuri.html
    https://moths.csiro.au/pseudosesia-o...e-cerf-1916-2/
    Last edited by Psyche; 23-Sep-2022 at 07:39 AM.

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    Ah, i missed out the last post. Thank you so much doctor Seow for tbe elaborate explanations!

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    I noted one of your observation is misIDed.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/136413206

    This is Ugia disjungens.

    Three species are very similar & easily confused, namely U. disjungens, Hypospila bolinoides, & Tochara creberrima.

    Ugia disjungens.
    FW postmedial slightly oblique,at the apex it curved out to the apical tip.
    Discal spot is oblong or reniform (kidney-shaped).
    Antemedial is crenate (scalloped).


    Hypospila bolinoides.
    FW postmedial about parallel to the margin, set deeper than in Tochara, ending at the costa.
    Discal spot is rounded.
    Antemedial is absent.


    Tochara creberrima.
    FW postmedial is parallel to the margin ,nearer to it than in H. bolinoides.,& ends on the costa.
    Discal spot is reniform
    Antemedial is absent.

    UGIA.png


    https://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-1...eousii_1_1.php
    https://wallace.biodiversity.online/...doptera-000011

    https://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-1...ii/gallery.php



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    Thank you Doctor Seow!

    I will take note of the differences! The drawings help me soo much at understanding!

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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    Another challenging ID i require some assistance and second opinions with. I was inform by the general community that this is a brunia species, but another user has challenge my current thoughts when photos of a similar looking species, Katha prabana, was shown to me. I know its extremely difficult to narrow by species, so if genus or family is the next best alternative, i am willing to take a look! These are all inat post since the photos have been archive, hope it doesn't cause any inconvenience.


    This are the following observation by me. I will accept that theres a chance they are different species.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/136413222
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/118122190

    But here lies two more challenging ones i need assistance with, and these are caterpillar only observations. Most Singapore reserves closes by 7pm and thus night surveys are hard to be conducted for moths survey. Here are two caterpillar which i notice are somewhat seen from time to time, but do not have proper identification. Both are IDed as Kunugia species, but i do not have access to any literature material that might be of proper ID records. Would like your second opinion here.
    1-caterpillar with two red horn. No doubt it is a lappet moth, and overtime this has been ID'ed as Kunugia caterpillar.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137035498

    2-Massive caterpillar. Easily 10cm. Not has hairy nor furry but extremely big size.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observat...axon_id=124898

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    Post 13.

    It is likely to be correct as Katha prabana.

    The female of many lthosina are very similar & confusing.
    Brunia antica occur in Hong Kong & Taiwan as the sole species in the genus.
    Thus these are confirmed images.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/guide_taxa/352227
    http://dearlep.tw/species.html?namecode=343836

    The females of Brunia antica & sarawaca are practically identical & it is uncertain if B. sarawaca is present since images of males taken in Singapore do not quite match .
    https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/ENT_0038_0141-0176.pdf


    Salient points.

    Female of Brunia antica & sarawaca; Top of head & prothorax yellow.

    Female of Katha prabana. Top of head & prothorax dark grey as the rest of the thorax.

    BRUNIA.png



    Taxon probana was first described as Eilema probana. later transfered to Katha & now to Dubatolova.

    Katha probana male.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/6740796
    Female.
    http://v3.boldsystems.org/index.php/...e?taxid=588636
    Other examples of the male.
    http://virtualcollections.naturalsci...sa-tams-1935-1
    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_267642363


    The main doubt is if the female Katha prabana seem rather common in Singapore, why is the male not being photographed.


    I will leave caterpillars alone as there is very little literature to refer to.



    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS Brunia antica is rare in Singapore.
    Male & Female. (Probably forelegs should always be dark in antica .)
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...0947/large.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...050/large.jpeg
    Last edited by Psyche; 09-Oct-2022 at 07:18 AM.

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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    Just one observation here. I shot this adorable green moth with very amazing camouflage. I narrowed down the genus to be eboda, i would like to hear your opinions or second opinion on this observation. Appreciate any form of inputs!

    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138949689


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    There is hardly any literature on Eboda.
    It is probably Eboda smaragdinana (= emerald-green) the most widespread species from Sri Lanka to PNG.


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    no worries Doctor Seow,
    Appreciate the help still!

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    Dear Doctor Seow

    Akin to my previous skipper post, i also have some moth clarification for today. I have no clue for the moths so any suggestion will do

    1 - inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/143999359

    2 - Trichaetoides chloroleuca? or amata stellaris?
    inat link -https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/142812129

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