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    Hi Dr Seow,

    Got a few butterflies which I require some help with the IDs. Thank you!

    1. Miletus sp.
    Miletus 1.jpeg

    2. Miletus biggsii?
    Miletus 2a.jpeg
    Miletus 2b.jpeg

    3. Potanthus sp.
    Potanthus 1.jpeg

    4. Potanthus sp.
    Potanthus 2.jpeg

    5. Caltoris cormasa?
    Caltoris 1.jpeg
    Jian Kai

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    1, male 2 female Miletus biggsii


    Miletus is very difrficult.
    M. biggsii usually have FW postdiscal spot strongly shifted out from the spots 4 & 5 below.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IN0ardGg2...ing-LokePF.jpg
    https://live.staticflickr.com/2480/3...8aca959d_z.jpg

    Of the other species this spot 6 is in line or nearly so with the spots below.

    M. symethus is recognised by the obscure spots & white shading of the apices of both wings, HW postdiscal spots inner margin dark shaded.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...nius---Sim.jpg

    The other two, M. gopara & gaesa are no recent record.
    M gopara female have a prominent tooth like tail.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PTIaTlD5y...0/DSC_0105.JPG

    M gaesa is mainly brown above.
    Probable M. gaesa but no upperside view.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...llen%20Tan.JPG


    3 & 4 are Potanthus omaha females.
    Female Potanthus usually have dark shadings on the abdominal ends causing confusion.


    P. omaha veins dark dusted on both surfaces.
    Male.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...453/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...7871/large.jpg
    Females.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...213/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...1026/large.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...231/large.jpeg


    5. Fairly typical male Caltoris cormasa.



    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thank you Dr Seow!
    Jian Kai

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    A few more confusing ones I need help with. Thank you

    1. Nacaduba sp. The undersides look like N. calauria, but the uppersides are pale blue like N. berenice.
    Nacaduba 2a.jpeg
    Nacaduba 2b.jpeg
    Nacaduba 2c.jpeg

    2. Nacaduba sp. Did not manage to get the uppersides.
    Nacaduba 1a.jpeg
    Nacaduba 1b.jpeg

    3. Lasippa tiga or heliodore? The tongue-like spot seems rather well separated.
    Lasippa.jpeg
    Jian Kai

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    In any collection in the past there is always several odd specimens which do not fit properly.

    1. The underside & upperside suggest a cross between a male berenice & a female calauria.
    Only a male berenice can pass on the genes for the white ribbon scales giving it its frosted pale blue colour.

    Indian ssp showing upper & underside.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...85%29_male.jpg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...%29_female.jpg

    Singapore males with confirmed uppersides.
    N. berenice.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3X4VsrE-6...0/DSC_2769.JPG
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pzK2I4_Ew6...nice-icena.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9/original.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6104/large.jpg

    Singapore male N. calauria.
    https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...b3ad98860e.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...7892/large.jpg
    Female right.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...enry%20Koh.jpg

    I can find no confirmed males of N. berenice with a straight FW band.
    Likewise that of N. calauria is almost always straight though a bit of crookedness may be present.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81280010.html
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81260020.html
    Below the male from Phetchabun is actually kurava .
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81260010.html


    FW submarginal spots 4 & 5 are triangular esp females in calauria. HW only submarginal spots 4 & 5 have points.

    FW submarginal spots 4 & 5 are chevron, more 'V' shaped in berenice . HW submarginal spot 3 or all the spots may be pointed.
    The Biodiversity of Singapore website's N. calauria is almost certainly a male N. berenice.


    I will like to show another anomaly.
    Federick Ho 2014 Lornie Trail
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2z1tHnAAtb...8male%2529.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m0mSgms7_-...a+berenice.jpg
    The strong dark striae within the bands is indicative of N. berenice, but the innermost costal spot is missing.

    In contrast N beroe male have the dark striae near obsolete & the upperside deeper violet blue.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...lt_male_01.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...ixLineBlue.jpg
    India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...b68f69-1_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...b68f69-2_1.jpg
    Added: Singapore male N. beroe.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3466/large.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...210/large.jpeg



    2. Nacaduba berenice.
    The crooked FW band & the narrow V submarginal spot 4 & 5 are typical.


    3. Lassipa tiga.
    No L. heliodore have the tongue spot cutting across the cell bar.
    in L. tiga FW submarginal spot3 is at least 2X the width of spot 4 in both sexes.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._Horace_01.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...20-%20Khew.jpg

    In L. heliodore.
    FW submarginal spot 3 is almost as wide as spot 4 in the male , but wider by half in the female.
    https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3537/...e6a4f2a703.jpg



    TL Seow; Cheers.
    PS. The identification of butterflies is based on the male.
    Thus 1 is considered a male N. berenice.
    Last edited by Psyche; 23-Jul-2022 at 06:10 PM.

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    Thank you Dr Seow!
    Jian Kai

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    Someone sent me this Nacaduba for ID and I would like to hear your opinion. I assume its a female since it seems like its ovipositing and there are many eggs. The FW post-discal band is dislocated like N. berenice, but the very large and rounded submarginal spots are are more typical of N. kurava.

    WhatsApp Image 2022-07-28 at 7.15.33 PM.jpeg
    Photo credits: Jess Loh
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    Post 7.

    Female Nacaduba berenice icena.
    Note broken FW postdiscal band & HW submarginal spot 6 with angular inner margin.


    Female N. berenice ;Almost always FW band is dislocated, crooked or broken.
    HW submarginal spot 6 with angular margin, not regularly rounded.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...927/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...577/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...835/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...595/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9525/large.jpg


    Female Nacaduba kurava. FW postdiscal band almost always straight & unbroken.
    FW upper 4 submarginal spots always rounded.
    HW submarginal spot 6 rounded or oval with regular rounded margin.
    https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...b787da0005.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._female_02.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...8738/large.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...892/large.jpeg
    India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...Saji_ae302.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/si...f038d1-1_1.jpg


    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thank you Dr Seow
    Jian Kai

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    Here are a few Rapala shot by Jess at Sungei Buloh Wetland Reserve. The post discal bands seem to be a lot darker and more prominent than usual and the orange crown seems to be more of a thin ring, also seen at a mangrove, could it be Rapala cowani?

    1.
    photo1660103389.jpeg

    2.
    photo1660103389 (1).jpeg
    photo1660103389 (3).jpeg
    photo1660103389 (2).jpeg

    *All photos taken by Jess Loh
    Jian Kai

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