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  1. #101
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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    some extensive photos today, and i've included inat pics for clearer definition. Its been a while since i ID skipper, so ill like to revisit basics, and i tried to ID them

    1 - T.besta
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366715
    t.besta1.jpgt.besta2.jpg

    2 - P.serina? i noted the space 4 and 5, but it isnt as big as the typical p.serina
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366707
    largedart1.jpglargedart2.jpg

    3 - Potanthus trachala
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366712
    detachdart1.1.jpgdetachdart1.2.jpg

    4 - Potanthus, really stuck on this one
    inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366714
    potanthusunknown1.jpgpotanthusunknown2.jpg

    5 - caltoris.cormasa? faded but i think distinctive
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366699
    caltoris1.jpgcaltoris2.jpg

    6 - Lassipa.tiga? I noted the "tongue area" on the forewing
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366952
    lassipa1.2.jpglassipa1.3.jpg

    The below photo is a assorted allotinus i have shot. While allotinus unicolor is the only surviving one, i do note we have at ;east 6 species, with 5 being extinct. So i would like to seek some general ID guide

    1 - Allotinus 1
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366696
    allotinus1.jpg

    2 - allotinus 2
    inat link-https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366703
    allotinus2.1.jpgallotinus2.2.jpg

    3 - a faded allotinus 3
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/138366704
    allotinus3.1.jpg


    Skipping regards
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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    Post 101.

    1. Telicota linna male.
    HW veins are not raised & hardly darken (mostly due to wear.
    HW ground colour dark shaded.; abdomen paler
    T. linna males.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-79Gj7N-1G...TL_male_01.jpg
    https://alchetron.com/cdn/telicota-6...resize-750.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9958/large.jpg

    T. besta males. HW veins raised & lightly darken; Ground colour barely ddusky.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1rRXJdPYor...ed_male_01.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UaQyq4Qv0D...B_adult_01.jpg
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EcRIOq2iv...t_male_-04.jpg


    2. P serina male; FW spot 4 is 2X larger than spot 5.Abdominal end black-banded.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...rina-Bobby.jpg


    3.Potanthus trachala male FW spot 4 & 5 without overlapping the other spots.Abdominal end black-banded.


    4.Potanthus omaha female ; Abdominal end yellow; Veins lightly dark; dull colour.

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    5. Caltoris malaya male.
    pale area on antenna weak.
    Spots reduced ; no FW cellspot.
    More uniform between FW & HW colour. In C. cormasa HW is often much deeper in colour.
    C. malaya male.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sEtiy2_aX...M_adult_02.jpg


    6. Lasippa tiga male.
    The tongue spot have an accuracy of about 70 %.
    The submarginal spots are merged into a continuous band hre.
    Note in space 3, it is 2X wider than the rest of the band above it.

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    Post 101.
    7. All three are Allotinus unicolor female.

    A 2nd species common in P. Malaysia may still exist perhaps in P. Ubin or Tekong.
    This is A. horsfieldi.

    A. uniclor HW postdiscal spot 6 large rounded & set inside of spot 7.
    FW postdiscal spots not dislocated.
    Male & female.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...2145/large.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...llen%20Tan.jpg

    Allotinus horsfieldi.
    Ground colour light buff & markings pale brown.
    FW postdiscal spots dislocated in the middle.
    HW spot 6 oblong or curved tuck under spot 7.
    Female with broad-based teeth on the HW.
    Male & female.
    https://a4.pbase.com/o6/25/686825/1/...onleogoron.jpg
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-permagnus.jpg


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    Thank you for the detailed explanation doctor Seow! was feeling confident about the c.cormasa and t.besta but opps!
    Zick Soh

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    Hi Doctor Seow,
    i have one skipper i shot at lornie PCN would like a opinion of, i notice there isnt a cellspot and the hindwing dot arrangement is kind of in a arc

    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140488062

    Thinking of borbo cinnara, would that be right?


    skipping regards
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    Zick Soh

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    Post 106.

    This is a typical male Borbo cinnara.

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    Hi Doctor Seow,

    I have a couple of skippers, and i require some opinions. The phone photo quality is unusable after downgrading so i will use inat links.

    1 - pelopidas species
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140859028
    I notice the subapical spot isnt really like a arc in borbo cinnara, so i decided it is a pelopidas, yet there isnt a cell spot. would like some opinions

    2 - caltoris cormasa?
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/140859022

    skipping regards
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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    Post 108.

    1, Male Borbo cinnara.
    Just the fact that the HW postdiscal spots are in space 2, 3, & 6 plus the lack of a HW cellspot is a certainty this is B. cinnara.
    The three subapical spots are in an arc (ie a semicircle or curve).
    Compare the three males.

    Borbo cinnara.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jMZu5Yy4Y...ederick_01.jpg

    Pelopidas mathias.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NQjrfm7_w...enedict_01.jpg

    Parnara bada. Subapical spots 6 & 7 in line, spot 8 slightly off or absent.
    https://d29tlldvxtis6c.cloudfront.ne...nswift8393.jpg



    2. Likely Caltoris bromus male.
    Subapical spots two, rounded.
    FW & HW of similar tone.

    Compare male Caltoris cormasa.
    FW subapical spots often three & small.
    HW darker & deeper with dark mottling, than the FW.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TjKxWVHrQ...herHern_01.jpg
    http://www.natureloveyou.sg/Minibeas...035%20(20).jpg
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I3Q8EsOFI...enjamin_01.jpg
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c7t4k7FNWt...%2Bcormasa.jpg



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    Last edited by Psyche; 02-Nov-2022 at 11:11 PM.

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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    Ive shot this skipper at sembawang, which seems faded and i have a hunch is a pelopidas species, would like some opinions. I included various open wing and close wing shot in the inat link

    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/141510935

    Skipping regards
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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