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    1, 2, & 3 are typical male Pantoporia sandaka sandaka.

    Note in 3 the closeness of the submarginal orange band to the other spots & the long 'foot'.



    4. In the past I would have quickly conclude this typical P. hordonia based on the wide grey band.
    Consider the following facts.
    1. There are a dozen or so identifiable male P. sandaka , but not a single male specimen of P. hordonia have been observed I believed for more than 20 years.
    The last recognisable P. hordonia males appear to be these two.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eHnx5jNOl...ascar-KSK5.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oiSX3-kyP...ascar-KSK4.jpg

    The identification of the species is based on the male.
    Without a single observation of a confirmed male P. hordonia, 4 is likely to be a female P. sandaka.
    Note the orange band does not fade out at the apex.


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    Additional note.

    The male of P. sandaka have a large white speculum ( a patch of specialised scales) on the HW.
    This is largely hidden at rest.
    It is sometimes seen as a white highlight indicating its lower margin.
    SANdO.png

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c8rXTibfeq...0/DSC_0137.JPG

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uNRH3neo0...ascar-Fed3.jpg



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    Additional notes.

    Males Pantoporia hordonia in P. Malaysia.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/65613884
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/102652739
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132162011
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/128243266

    Dsf variant with wide markings & grey band narrowed.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/132919980


    Two female P. hordonia.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/2635944
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/19028878


    Male P. sandaka. Note white line/highlight on HW.
    https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/124081180


    These images should help identify P. hordonia in Singapore.

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    Last edited by Psyche; 12-Sep-2022 at 05:45 PM.

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    Thank you so much doctor Seow for such a insightful explanation! Words cannot express the feeling i have now but i find it extremely helpful! But this eans i still have to keep looking for p.hordonia somewhere in SG

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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    i have return with the classic skipper ID, which today i am confident of the one i require help with. Please correct any mistake shall you spot any

    1 - p.omaha
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/135350918
    p.omaha1.1.jpgp.omaha1.2.jpg

    2 - p.lubricans, but seems very yellowish brown
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/135350953
    p.lubricans1.1.jpgp.lunricans1.2.jpg

    3 - t.colon. I decided t.colon base on forewing space 4 and 5. The colour seems deeper than the usual, but i concluded it is simply a worn out individual
    inat link - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/135350954
    t.colon1.1.jpgt.colon1.2.jpgt.colon1.3.jpg

    Skipping regards!
    Zicky
    Zick Soh

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    Post 90.

    1. Male Potanthus omaha.

    2/ Male Polytremis lubricans. Female is yellower.

    3. Female Telicota colon.
    Male & 2 female.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3543/large.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...9905/large.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...425/large.jpeg

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    Dear Doctor Seow,

    My friend here has shot this skipper at pulau ubin, which is in a quite worned out condition. My initial ID is Zographetus doxus, ID from the white antenna and ground colour of the wings of the skipper itself. However, i discovered that there are other species that look alike, namely the Zographetus ogygia. I think it could very well be said for a range of species of skipper however.

    I kindly request to hear your second opinion of this observation, and i dropped the inaturalist link below since i do not have the photo. All credits goes to Yu Fei who shot this photo.

    Inat observation - https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/136746438

    Skipping regards
    Zicky
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