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    Thank you for the clarifications and explanations Dr Seow! The P. lubricans picture was an older handphone shot, so the colours might seem weird.
    Jian Kai

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    Correction

    Post 7 No. 2. Baoris oceia.


    Although this looks reddish like Caltoris cormasa. a number of things are not quite right.

    Both antennae are black, showing no pale areas as in C. cormasa.
    FW is more swept.
    FW spots are obscure. This is very rare in Caltoris & common in Baoris.


    Baoris oceia.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hLOHSi2j5...hSwift-KSK.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...-Simon-Sng.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/attac...6&d=1589172088
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/attac...5&d=1589172077


    C. cormasa
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...8/original.jpg
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-h5zPj8F1v...C_field_01.jpg
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/hengbok-nikita/9662709824


    Little details matter but in photos these are hard to judge.



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    Last edited by Psyche; 25-Jun-2022 at 09:38 PM.

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    Indeed, especially when it is quite a worn out individual. Thank you for the correction Dr Seow!
    Jian Kai

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    Hi Dr Seow,

    Here are a few more I require help with. Thank you!

    1. No pale area on antennae, Baoris sp?
    photo1656138733 (1).jpeg
    photo1656138733 (2).jpeg

    2. Taractrocera archias?
    Taractrocera.jpeg

    3. Potanthus sp.
    Potanthus sp.jpeg
    Jian Kai

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    Post 14.

    1. Baoris oceia.male.

    Baoris oceia tend to be darker & the smaller spots reduced or absent.
    Males.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hLOHSi2j5...hSwift-KSK.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...-Simon-Sng.jpg


    B. farri tend to be more fully spotted & lighter brown.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/itchydogimages/7863317448


    2. Taractrocera archias.male.
    Note the antennal clubs are rounded without the apiculus.



    3. Probably Potanthus mingo male. Correction: Female from the sharp FW apex with rounded margin,& the notched abdominal end.
    The abdominal end is hidden by the HW, but a patch of black indicate a black basal band.

    Of the three (or 4) species with a black basal band.

    Potanthus serina large FW 16mm.
    FW spot 5 smaller than spot 4.
    HW band, veins not dark-dusted; ground shaded dark brown not black ;often a small spot 6 on the inner corner.
    Males.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...serina-KSK.jpg
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...a-1080x675.jpg


    Potanthus trachala. medium FW 15mm.
    FW spots 4 & 5 not overlapping the spots above & below; spots spiky.
    HW upper spot of band project out strongly.
    Males.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kcinccQ1a...%2Btytleri.JPG
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvlAhJLLsd...la-tytleri.jpg


    Potanthus mingo. Small FW 12mm.
    FW spots 4 & 5 generally overlapping the other spots, variable.
    HW band heavily edged by black spots & heavy shading.
    Males.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2ujB...0/_MG_1531.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EGfuIVmIA...nthus%2Bsp.JPG



    Poanthus juno. FW 13mm.
    Abdominal end may be dark banded in the male , less so in the female.
    FW typicaaly with two subapical spots .(Spot 8 occassinally present & tiny.
    FW spot 5 often smaller than spot 4. HW band upper end often rounded.
    Male.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eLxO6Cqrl-...it%2BBrown.jpg
    Female.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WroJpPq0U...Dart-KohCH.jpg



    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Compare Potanthus ganda males ,Singapore.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...325/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...6/original.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 26-Jun-2022 at 08:26 PM.

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    Thank you Dr Seow!
    Jian Kai

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    Correction.
    Post 14.
    3. Female Potanthus ganda.



    The triangular profile suggest a male, but this due to the butterfly fscing away from the camera, ie the head is farthest.
    The pointed FW apex & the abdominal end indicate a female.

    All female Potanthus often have heavier dark shadings of the abdominal end.

    The markings although dark are very similar to typical P. ganda females.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X9BG2_Zk_...t_Adult_02.jpg
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e_HuBihng..._underside.jpg


    In P. mingo the abdominal end black band is strong & the HW band is excavated by dark spots.
    Female left.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tFtROXZYi...us%2Bmingo.JPG

    Female P. trachala for comparison.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._female_01.jpg



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    Thank you for the correction Dr Seow! I just shot a couple more that require an ID.

    1. Size was notably relatively larger than the normal darts, could it be P. serina?
    photo1656226944 (6).jpeg
    photo1656226944 (8).jpeg
    photo1656226944 (7).jpeg

    2. Telicota sp? Unfortunately no better shots.
    Palm dart.jpeg
    Jian Kai

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    Post 18.
    1. Female Potanthus serina.

    P. serina have FW spot 5 smaller than spot 4 (more so in the male)HW often with a small spot 6 on the inner margin.
    HW ground tend to be orangey & shaded dark brown.
    Males.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...S_adult_01.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...4569/large.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama.../original.jpeg
    Female.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rzo8wjfyC...t_female_c.jpg

    Some examples have spot 8 reduced & so resembles P. juno.but P. juno is smaller & HW band upper end rounded.
    eg.female.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...980/large.jpeg
    Compare female P. juno.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WroJpPq0U...Dart-KohCH.jpg



    2. Probably male Telicota augias.
    Colour rendering may cause it to be less orange as seen by the bluish leaves.


    T. colon male FW spots staggered out ie each set farther out than the one below.
    Males.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iRfNeV5wQ...t-LemonTea.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...1652/large.jpg

    T. besta Male often lightly dusted & raised veins; face paler.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1rRXJdPYo...ed_male_01.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...920/large.jpeg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...675/large.jpeg

    T. linna. Male veins not dark dusted. ground often dusky ;face & underparts usually paler.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-79Gj7N-1G...TL_male_01.jpg
    https://alchetron.com/cdn/telicota-6...resize-750.jpg
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...5733/large.jpg


    T. augias; Male uniformly orange ,deeper than other species, veins not dark-dusted; HW band not contrasting.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hp7OPF_eJ6...as-augias).jpg
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5336/9...ff7fdc56_b.jpg
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...560/large.jpeg


    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thank you again Dr Seow!
    Jian Kai

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