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    Dear Dr. Seow sir,

    We have a lot of flats from Meghalaya that need your expert views for proper identification. I put my hands on their ids but most of my ids are tentative and need your confirmation.

    Your help is highly appreciated.

    Thank you in advance.

    1. Celaenorrhinus nigricans nigricans?

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    2. Celaenorrhinus putra putra?

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    3. Celaenorrhinus dhanada?

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    4. Celaenorrhinus aurivittata aurivittata?

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    5. Celaenorrhinus cf. putra?

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    6. Celaenorrhinus sp.

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    7. Celaenorrhinus leucocera?

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    8. Pseudocoladenia fatua?

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    9. Celaenorrhinus dhanada?

    Fulvous Pied Flat(Pseudocoladenia dan) (2) - Copy.JPG



    Cheers
    Last edited by Saffron; 09-Jul-2021 at 02:09 PM.

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    1. C. nigricans is correct.

    Key as followingt Evans.
    1a, 1b, 12a, 19a ...FW ce3llspot is nearer apex than base., 19b, 19c , 21 (19d) HW cilia narrowly white or brown; FW spot 3 conjoined to band ; only outer spot in space 1b...C. nigricans.

    Note this individual match key line 19a well, ie FW cellspot is nearer FW apex than base.

    This is not obvious in this pix.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ekar_aj523.jpg

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    2. C. putra is correct.

    Key 1a, 1b, 12a, 12b, 15a (12c), 17a (15b)... FW produced. dorsum (FW lower margin) = termen ( FW outer margin)........C. putra.

    C. putra FW band not extend above radius.
    FW produced dorsum= termen.
    This gives the FW a sharper look.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...9429cbbe9d.jpg


    Compare C. leucocera where FW is not produced ie. dorsum is greater than termen.
    This the FWs are broader look.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ekar_aj515.jpg

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    Sir is there any possibility of 3 being C. andamanicus hanna?

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    3. Celaenorrhinus affinis.


    4. Celaenorhinus aurivittata.

    What have been grouped under C. dhanada are now mainly separated into good species.


    C. zea;
    Resenbling C. dhanada
    FW upper spot in space 1b small, triangular & placed under the middle of spot 2.
    HW cilia plain.



    C. dhanada.
    FW band irregular, the upper spot in space 1b placed under the outer edge of spot 2.
    Antennal with broad yellow band ,shaft chequred
    .
    HW cilia narrowly chequered yellow.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...rhinus-dhanada
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90520001.html


    C. affinis. FW 20mm.
    FW band irregular with a tornal spot in space 1b.
    Antennal club narrowly banded yellow at base & HW cilia narrowly chequered yellow.

    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90520010.html


    C. andamanicus hanna. Like affinis but much smaller FW 17mm.
    FW band irregular broad in the middle & HW cilia plain ( may be vaguely chequered).
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90530010.html


    C. aurivittata.
    FW margins of central band regular.
    Antennae & HW cilia plain.

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...us-aurivittata
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90550001.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 09-Jul-2021 at 10:34 PM.

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    5. Female C. putra putra.

    The female have broader wings .
    Antennae only the club white.
    FW band not extending to costa.
    HW cilia whitish & chequered.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...orrhinus-putra
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90480010.html

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    6 & 7 male C. leucocera.

    It can be very difficult to separate C. putra & leucocera as some C. leucocera may not have the extension of the FW band to the costa.


    There is a tendency for C. leucicera to have two spots in space 1b while C. putra almost always have one spot.
    There is a losser degree of overlap of the FW cellspot & spot 2 in C. leucocera giving it a more irregular look.
    In C. putra the overlap is greater so these two spots are nearer & more confluent giving it a more regular band.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90470001.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...inus-leucocera
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90480010.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...orrhinus-putra

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    8. Pseudocoladenia fatua.


    Three species are very similar.

    P. fatih.
    Western Himalayas.
    FW spots are close but not tightly packed.
    Spots white in both sexes.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...69fe8250-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...kare_ag993.jpg


    P. fatua.
    FW spots are close as in P. fatih.
    Smaller & redder brown. Male FW produced, ie sharper.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...b253737e-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ddd1e2e7-1.jpg


    P. festa;
    FW sots are packed tightly, yellow in male ,whitish in female.
    Generally darker & duller.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-28804.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...901ba965-1.jpg
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90640020.html




    9. Celaenorrhinus dhanada.




    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 10-Jul-2021 at 01:29 AM.

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    Thank you so much for such a nice review with lot of valuable information. C. affinis is very new to me. I am sure we might have come across C. andamanicus hanna but might have overlooked it for C. aurivittata. But I hope from next time I will observe them carefully in the field knowing there are so many similar looking ones.

    And really much love and greeting from India (North-East) to you Seow sir. Whatever you are doing in this forum is incomparable and most importantly you are doing it selflessly.

    I wish my school teachers would have been like you (on a lighter note).

    Wish you good health.

    Atau Bora (Saffron)
    Cheers

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