ID Review

[Saffron]

Dear Dr. Seow, please check the id of these two Jamides sp.
My Ids are based on reliability of thickness of FW white striae.

1. Jamides elpis?

22.jpg



2. Jamides alecto ?

31.jpg



3. Jamides pura?

DSC_1376.jpg



4. Jamides pura?

DSC_1374.jpg


Thank you in advance.

Atanu Bora (Saffron)
Cheers

[Psyche]

The Jamides in India are rather different with wsf & dsf.

I can't asses the Butterflies of India so these are Google search images.

J. elpis. UpF male border a thread;UpH without marginal black spots.
UpF striae thin.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81130010.html
These below are J. elpis from UpH view.
http://www.learnaboutbutterflies.com...s%20alecto.htm

J. alecto FW thicker black border; UpH with marginal spots
UNF striae thick , thinner in dsf.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81140010.html
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...o9NR-BQKC6vR8g


J. celeno; male with a wider black border
UpF striae thin .
Male dsf with narrow black border & easily confused with J. pura.
UnF with submarginal spot 2 usually in line with the rest & with a straight margin.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81050010.html
http://motyli.wz.cz/nymphal/lycaenid...eleno_M_UP.jpg
http://motyli.wz.cz/nymphal/lycaenid...eleno_M_UN.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...n_Kadavoor.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...W_IMG_8565.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...erulean_09.JPG


J. pura Male with black border a thread or very narrow.
UnF usually with submarginal spot slightly larger & with convex margin.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81060001.html
India.
https://indiabiodiversity.org/biodiv...es_pura/60.jpg
Male. P. Malaysia; UnF submarginal 2 is much larger with convex margin & UnH black spot have long side bars.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/...65d57a1b_c.jpg


Additional note.
The difference in the FW submarginal spots (space 1b & 2) is much more apparent in dsf.

J. celeno
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...3c0d9583-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...b0eb811c-1.jpg

J. pura.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ad5d675b-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ag616.jpg

[Psyche]

1. J. elpis.

2. J elpis similar to image 3 in the Learn about butterflies webpage.

3. J. pura .
The FW black border is a thread.

4, Probably J. celeno.
FW submarginal spot 2 is not larger & have straight margin.


TL Seow: Cheers.

[Saffron]

Thank you so much for the ids sir.

[Psyche]

4 is more likely to be Jamides pura pura.

There are examples of J. pura in which the FW submarginal spot 2 have straight margins.
eg.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-29242.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-29243.jpg

https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/J...sMFUpUnAC1.jpg


In 4 a number of features suggest J. pura.
FW submarginal spot 2 is shifted out of position.
HW black spot have large twin silvery sidebars, a feature seen often in J. pura in Sundaland.
P. Malaysia.
Males.
https://www.pbase.com/lcgoh/image/85434460
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1cdTLzHI3...0/DSC_0122.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5dqexN9uPY...0/DSC_0140.JPG
Female.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5494/...65d57a1b_c.jpg
Thailand.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-29245.jpg


TL Seow; Cheers.