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    Dear Dr. Seow sir, I and my friend have photographed the following butterflies in Meghalaya, North-east India.
    I have tried to id some of them based on my limited knowledge. Your help in identification is highly appreciated.

    In one of the previous post by our dear Sunny Chir on my behalf, the below Neptis was identified as Neptis capnodes pandoces in this forum. You can find the link of that post below
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/showt...676#post129676

    1.jpg 2.jpg

    Based on the discussion provided in that post, I have considered the these three also (1. a, b and c) to be Neptis capnodes pandoces?

    1 (a).

    3a.JPG


    1 (b).

    4a.JPG


    1 (c).

    5a.JPG



    2. Neptis nata?

    5.JPG



    3. Neptis nata?

    6.JPG



    4. Neptis clinia?

    13.JPG



    5. Neptis cartica?

    9.JPG



    6. Neptis cartica?

    8.JPG



    7. Neptis clinia?

    17.JPG



    8. Neptis namba?

    16.jpg 15.jpg



    9. Neptis miah?

    11745443_1619817671623777_6563580985928078796_n.jpg



    10. Neptis ananta?

    11337006_1611231979149013_8954429800485777055_o.jpg



    11. Is it Ragadia crito? What is the existence of Ragadia crito? Is it a good species or subspecies of Ragadia crisilda?

    4.JPG 7.jpg

    If they are separate species, can you please suggest how to differentiate them on the underside?

    Find this specimen photo on Basic Information of Butterflies of Kachin State, Myanmar (Part 3) by Shizuya et al. (2005).

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    Thank you in advance.

    Atanu Bora (Saffron)
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    1 a, b, c are correct as Neptis capnodes pandocus.
    I have to recheck everything because of the confusing underside colour.


    Eliot states of taxon pandocus under N. yerburii. Underside some shade of rich reddish brown in dsf & purplish brown in wsf.
    https://archive.org/details/bulletin...p?view=theater
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720170010.html
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterfl...8%9A%E0%B8%B9/

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    2 & 4. Neptis nata.

    3. Neptis clinia.


    N. nata darker ;FW submarginal spots bent in slightly at apex.
    HW discal white band not with a small white spot at the base of space 3 usually.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720190010.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...66ae75df-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...fcf7523f-1.jpg

    N. clinia; usually browner; FW submarginal spots curved gently at apex.
    HW discal white band often include a small spot at base of space 3.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720120010.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptis...asambe_(1).JPG
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...13aaf858-1.jpg

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    5 & 6 Neptis cartica.

    N. carica & sankara are very similar, both having the FW cellend spot incompletely detached from the cell bar.

    N. cartica. FW submarginal spots mostly separate, semilunulate .
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720300001.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...44699d7b-3.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5c86bc7c-1.jpg


    N. sankara. FW submarginal spots forming a regular band with straight margins.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720270010.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7435492a-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...a07ada9a-1.jpg

    7 is N. clinia.

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    8 & 9 Neptis namba.

    10. N. ananta

    Three species can be easily confused.

    N. ananta Orange yellow.
    FW cleft between cellend spot & cellbar shallow ;notch in subapical fsacia deep.
    FW submarginal band fades out at apex.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-29254.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c23b0d9a-1.jpg

    N. namba. orange.
    Cleft between FW cellend spot & cellbar deep; Likewise notch in subapical fascia deep.
    FW subapical band absent or very obscure.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...11/a-28770.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...11/a-28774.jpg

    N. miah. FW cleft between cellend spot & cell bar shallow ;notch in subapical fascia shallow.
    FW submarginal band obsolete or obscure.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...95f9895ec1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...bad343f4-2.jpg

    MisIDed N. namba.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...325c7833-1.jpg

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    10. Ragadia crito.

    Most people consider it a good species.

    R. crisilda.
    Upperside with most of the white bands darken except for the discal white band.
    UnF discal white band about 1.5 X that of the width of the adjacent dark postdiscal band containing the ocelli. Correction : Dark band about 1.5X white band
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...03cd5a71-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...03cd5a71-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...19729a70-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...19729a70-2.jpg


    Ragadia crito.
    Upperside with white bands sullied but intact.
    UnF discal white band narrow, to about 1/2 (at least in upper half) that of the width of the adjacent postdiscal band with the ocelli.
    Fig 1 & 2 male & female.
    https://archive.org/details/journalo...p?view=theater
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...3b32dbee-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...422a524e-1.jpg


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    Thank you so very much for the useful discussions. This post seems to clear some of my major mistakes.

    Stay safe and healthy sir!!

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    Thank you so much sir for the overall information. After looking at those references and ingormations here, it appears that individual variation may occur in Ragadis sp. and therefore an upper shot will be a better option for their identification.

    With the information and keys provided above, my try to id some of these. Please have a look.


    12. Neptis miah?

    156a.jpg 156.jpg


    13. Neptis namba?

    DSC_0179.JPG


    14. Neptis nashona?

    DSC_0289.JPG


    15. Neptis pseudovikasi?

    DSC_0108.JPG



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    Post 9.

    They are all correct.

    N. pseudovikasi & harita
    can look very similar .


    N. pseudovikasi. FW submarginal spots bent in slightly at apex.
    FW postdiscal spot 2 usually rounded & HW submarginal band not chain-like.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...kare_ar221.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ekar_aj857.jpg

    N. harita ;FW submarginal spots not bent in at apex.
    FW spot 2 typically pointed on inner margin & HW submarginal band chain-like.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...14c103a7-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ndhi_as945.jpg


    This below looks to be N. pseudovikasi.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...8f7ec1b1-2.jpg


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