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    Good evening Dr.Seow Sir, I hope you are healthy & good as always.

    All these individuals from Tripura, Northeastern India...please help in identification...

    1. Ypthima newara?

    newara.jpg

    newara upper.jpg

    2. Ypthima newara (female)?

    newara female.jpg

    newara female upper.jpg

    3. Nacaduba beroe?

    nacaduba.jpg

    nacaduba upper.jpg

    4. Koruthaialos rubecula??

    rubecula.jpg

    rubecula upper.jpg

    5. Koruthaialos sp.?

    velvet.jpg

    6. Matapa druna?

    grey.jpg

    7. Matapa purpurascens?

    purple.jpg

    8. Lethe sp.?

    bamboo.jpg

    bamboo open.jpg

    9. Cirrochroa aoris or tyche?

    yeoman.jpg

    10. Neptis sp.?

    Neptis 1 b.jpg

    Neptis 1.jpg

    11. Neptis sp.?

    Neptis 2.jpg

    12. Neptis sp.?

    neptis 3.jpg

    13. Neptis sp.?

    neptis 5.jpg

    14. Neptis harita?

    neptis 4.jpg

    Thank you in advance...

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    1. male ,2 female Ypthima newara.
    The ground colour in female Ypthima is paler & the markings more contrasted.

    The two species Y. nareda & newara have been much confused.
    Bear in mind intermediates are likely to occur.
    Following Evans' description closely.

    Ypthima nareda.
    UnF dark submarginal fascia widens midway down to the tornus.
    UnH apical ocellus smaller than the UnF ocellus.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...cf7a627d-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...eb56c0b7-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...26f5f079-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...9291c245-1.jpg


    Ypthima newara.
    UnF dark submarginal fascia of uniform width throughout.
    UnH apical ocellus larger than the UnF ocellus.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ce1c000d-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...cc388886-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...29bd7572-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ekar_aj717.jpg

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    3. Female Ionolyce helicon.

    Like Nacaduba beroe, I. helicon have no costal spot above the innermost FW band.
    The female with broader wings is easily confused with N. beroe.
    The FW postdiscal band is often serially dislocated, ie. at every vein crossing.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionoly...onFUpUnAC1.jpg
    Singapore female.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_tCoAYTbo...e+(female).jpg

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    4 & 5 . Koruthaialos rubecula cachara.

    Ssp. cachara in India is very variable.
    The male is largely brown & the female with red traces although red-banded forms also occur.

    Ssp hector & rubecula in SE Asia & Sundaland are mostly red banded.
    Previous discussion with the forms in SE Asia may have confused the picture.


    In K. rubecula the 3rd segment of the labialpalps (palpi) is elongate ( like an inverted icecream cone)
    In the related K. sindu (always red-banded) it is a very short conical knob.

    K. rubecula cachara. showing longer palpi 3rd segment.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ag467.jpg
    The red band when present tapers (narrows) at the tornus.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ag465.jpg

    K. sindu have the palpi 3rd segment very short & knob-like.
    Thailand.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6RkAaBJ00...alos+sindu.jpg

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    6. Probably correct as a female Matapa druna.


    Matapa aria; FW & HW cilia whitish to pale yellowish.
    Male & 2 females.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...a_11/as537.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...560a4f87-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...345edb85-1.jpg



    Matapa druna; HW cilia deeper orange, contrasting with paler FW cilia.
    2 males & ? female.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/24844603898
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ac6d6bd2-1.jpg
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/38685409142


    Matapa purpurescens
    Male UnF apical zone paler (as in M. cresta but lighter). Female uniform pale brown.
    Underpart of abdomen orange.
    HW orange cilia broad as ( somewhat as in M. sasivarna.).
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/#!...a-purpurascens


    7. Matapa sasivarna worn.
    Body with strong greenish hairs.
    HW orange cilia broad .
    UnH veins black.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...f9aa5cf9-1.jpg

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    8. Lethe kansa.
    Underside with two parallel bands crossing both wings.
    HW oocelli arranged in a more gentle curve.
    HW ocelli in spaces 2, 3, & 4 in line.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...4598a87c-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...586a3028-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ab14f764-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5e1c3c59-1.jpg

    Lethe sinorix. can be cofusingly similar.
    UnH with ocelli arranged in a sharper triangle with ocellus 4 at the apex.
    A line thru ocelli 2, 3, 4, have ocellus 3 shifted in out of line. ( Actually a line joining ocelli 2 & 3 shows ocellus 4 is out of line.)
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...813a2a5d-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...dc864f05-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...dhan_ai987.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...akar_ap021.jpg


    9. Cirrochroa aoris aoris.
    FW with a black apex in which the black submarginal line joins.
    Male FW with the main veins in black.
    Femake with more contrasted markins & the discal band more continuous.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...rrochroa-aoris


    C. tyche.
    FW apex only lightly shaded black. veins not blacken.
    Female with discal band strongly lunulate.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...rrochroa-tyche
    Last edited by Psyche; 29-Oct-2020 at 02:08 AM.

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    10. Neptis clinia.

    Neptis clinia; FW postdiscal spots well spaced, . FW submarginal spots curved smoothly at the apex.
    Markings sullied with paler brown.
    HW discal white band often have a small spot at the base of space 3.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...13aaf858-1.jpg


    11, 12, & 13. Neptis nata.
    Like N. clinia but darker, less sullied.
    FW submarginal spots angled in slightly at the apex.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...fcf7523f-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...66ae75df-1.jpg


    Similar.
    Neptis soma.
    Like N. nata but spots are larger & closer.
    FW submarginal spots angled/bent in strongly at the apex.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...bd46329f-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...19d9af23-2.jpg

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    14. Neptis harita.
    Brown with pale brown markings.
    FW postdiscal spot 2 , a prominent chevron/triangle.
    HW submarginal band often catenulate, the spots forming a chain-link appearance.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/#!.../Neptis-harita


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 29-Oct-2020 at 06:07 PM.

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    Thank you so much sir...

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