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    Should be correct as the female Rapala nissa.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...pale_aq353.jpg


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    There is no description of the female R. rectivitta.
    R. rectivitta is said to have straighter bands.
    Possibly bands are always brown & cilia dark brown.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...ala-rectivitta
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    This Spindasis syama peguanus seems to be different than others I've seen. The FW marginal line is broken and post discal lines re joined. Could it be someting else?

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    S. syama have a FW cellbar which is club-shaped & a HW sub-basal band broken into 3 spots.

    2, other species with these features are S. elwesi & zhengweilei.

    In S. zhengweilei the head of the club may be detached & the bands are narrow, with wide spacing of the ground colour.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...is-zhengweilie


    It is quite similar to S. elwesi.
    Evans described this Un pale yellow with broader bands, the male UpF blue shot ,often with orange markings.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/82865001.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...indasis-elwesi

    Several features suggest this might be S. elwesi.
    The HW marginal (or submarginal) line is broken into spots.
    THe UpF twin postdiscal bands converge more.
    The bands are rather broad.

    However it easily may be a form of S. syama without seeing the upperside.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...pindasis-syama


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    Thank you, sir. Evans, 1932 says broader black bands, the bands aren't very black. The submarginal spots and the converged postdiscal bands are indeed confusing. No UpF shots taken. The place had many S. syama but two of these forms were seen on same location along with some S. lohita.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Thank you, sir. Evans, 1932 says broader black bands, the bands aren't very black. The submarginal spots and the converged postdiscal bands are indeed confusing. No UpF shots taken. The place had many S. syama but two of these forms were seen on same location along with some S. lohita.
    Most if not all of related Spindasis can have the bands edged in black or red.
    There are said to be very few specimens of S. elwesi, so the one or two examples here do not show the variations.


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    Thank you for further clarification, sir. Would this one be Burara anadi?

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    Post 26.

    Yes, this should be Burara anadi.
    In the 2nd pic, the HW discal patch is composed of streak which extend into space 7.

    B. anadi
    HW discal patch composed of streaks including in space 7.
    HW orange cilia reaching vein 7.
    Orange less pronounced, & abdominal end partly brown.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...kare_am888.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...438f16cf-1.jpg

    B. jaina.
    HW discal patch of streaks not in space 7.
    HW orange cilia reaching vein 7 & abdominal end broadly orange.
    A FW white cellspot may be oresent.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ae601.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ab508.jpg


    B. harisa ;
    HW discal patch broadly streaky & away from the cellend ; HW orange cilia reaching vein 5.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...54d618b7-1.jpg


    B. oedipodea.
    HW discal patch solid & away from the cellend.
    HW orange cilia reaching vein 6.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...umar_aa348.jpg


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    Many thanks for the great keys, sir. I think these are Polytremis discreta discreta and Celaenorrhinus putra putra. Could you confirm?

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    Post 28.

    1. Polytremis discreta (also placed in a new genus Zenonoida.)
    HW tornal cilia white.


    2. Celaenorrhinus putra.

    I have only just beginning to understand the complexities of C. leucocera & putra which was so confusing in the past.

    C. leucocera; Range India to SE Asia mainland.
    FW dorsum (lower margin) > (greater than ) termen (outer margin).
    FW termen convex ,apex more rounded.
    Discal band generally extend beyond the radius (upper arm of the FW cell).
    HW cilia broadly whitish, chequered.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...83f5bfab-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...a_7/tbe745.jpg
    Form with the FW discal band barely extending beyond the radius.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...e37e1306-1.jpg


    C. putra ;Range Sundaland ,SE Asia to NE India, Assam, Sikkim , Nepal.
    FW produced, FW dorsum = termen.
    FW termen straighter & in the male noticeably sharper.
    FW discal band rarely extend beyond the radius.
    HW cila narrowly whitish, less prominent.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...9424190283.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1ce2f7a9-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...36b525ba-1.jpg

    The early entomologist amassed drawersful of specimens, yet no record of C. putra was given to South India.
    Nor does the checklist for Bangladesh include this species.
    Yet many shots from S. India are atributed to C. putra based on the appearance of the discal band.

    Separating the species in set specimens was not so difficult as seen in the links below.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90470001.html
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90480010.html

    All sightings of C. putra in S. India are likely erroneous.
    Genitalia shown are doubtful. They depict the left clasp of two different specimens, showing only the outside of the clasps.Correction: Images correctly shows the right clasp & inside.
    Genitalia need to show the right clasp with the detail of the inside ,which may have additional features.
    Evans made no mention of genitalia difference between the two species.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 20-Sep-2020 at 08:45 PM.

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    Many thanks once again, sir. This one looks like Pithauria murdava at first glance, however looking closer, it looks like a darker form of Pithauria stramineipennis. Central Nepal, and P. murdava was recorded from the east only. All my P. stramineipennis have prolific straw colored clothing on FW and HW unlike in this one.

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