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    Sorry for the terrible pic (broken flash and low light), but I think this is P. nesta. Nepal, 1500 ft. August.
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    Probably Potanthus mingo.
    UnF spots with varying overlap.
    UnH band upper end (spots 4 + 5) projected out.
    Varying heavy black spots on HW band's outer margin.
    Abdominal end strongly black- banded.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92810010.html
    Singapore male.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2uj...0/_MG_1531.jpg
    Mating pair Female left fresh, male right worn.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tFtROXZYi...us%2Bmingo.JPG

    P. nesta; FW spots 4 & 5 outer margin often nearly in line with main band.
    UnH band upper spots (4+5) not projected out or barely.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92800001.html
    Probable P. nesta Thailand.
    Note FW band straight; HW band is rectangular & spot 6 is absent.
    https://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_...usparvus.v.jpg
    Probable P. nesta ,India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7cee7e8b-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7cee7e8b-1.jpg


    P. lydia lydia. FW spots 4 & 5 inner margins often convergent. spots 2 & 3 wide.
    Abdominal end almost wholly black.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...406e7d83-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...406e7d83-2.jpg
    Compare P. lydia fraseri P. Malaysia.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...thus-lydia.jpg

    P. pallida. FW spots 4 & 5 widely detached from spot 6, detached or just touch spot 3.
    Underside may be lightly spotted; abdominal end strongly black-banded.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92720001.html
    Sri Lankan male.
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...VwCjA&usqp=CAU
    Probable male India; Note wide spacing between FW spot 5 & 6, easily seen on UpF, and poor underside markings.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...76a88b2f-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...76a88b2f-2.jpg


    P. trachala FW spots 4 & 5 typically fully detached .spots 2 & 3 quadrate with concave margins in the male.
    Abdominal end black banded ;UnH band upper part strongly projected.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvlAhJLLs...la-tytleri.jpg
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-d1uwxt7AT...s_trachala.jpg

    P. rectifasciatus ;FW band nearly straight; UnH band continuous in a curve, spot 6 very large.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/38661764476


    P. palnia; FW spot 5 often smaller than spot 5.
    Underside dark shaded in a greenish tinge, no obvious spot.
    Abdominal end mostly black.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/37999817064

    P. flava alcon. FW band mostly straight tapering to spot 5.
    In ssp flava underside often heavily dark spotted.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92780010.html


    See images of P. nesta & mara in Evans' Hesperiid catalogue.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 29-Aug-2020 at 11:56 PM.

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    Thank you, sir. Could you see if these are R. scintilla?
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    Post 11.
    Rapala varuna orseis.
    The UnH postdiscal band broad ,double white-sided, it & the cellend bar almost/or touch.
    The orange crown encircles the black spot.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ee8ec913-1.jpg

    In SE Asia the species is often strongly purple flushed.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...20Benedict.jpg


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    Thank you, sir. Could you see if all these are Parnara bada? All were found in same location. 1500 masl, central Nepal, September.
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    Sir, could you look at these Caltoris cf. sirius also? I thought these were C. sirius but recently read that only Caltoris kumara, Caltoris bromus and Caltoris canaraica have unH spots 2 and 3. C. kumara is out, and I suppose so is C. canaraica, so are these all C. bromus and not C. sirius? 500 ft., southern central Nepal, July. All same location.

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    Post 13.


    1 & 2.
    Both 1 & 2 have UnH with a spot 6 present.
    UpF with 1 with a lower cellspot & 2 with two cellspot.
    Parnara guttata mangala. Correction Parnara bada aberration with 1 & 2 cellspots.


    4 have no UpF cellspot & UnH with spots 2 - 5.
    FW spots 2 & 3 quadrate sothe discal spots are spread out.
    Parnara bada.


    Parnara bada FW almost always without any cellspot (occa. a lower one)
    FW spots 2 & 3 quadrate so the spots are wide apartUnH often with a spot 6.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93050001.html


    P. guttata ;Usually 2 cellspot, often lower one absent, also may not any cellspot.
    HW almost always with a spot 6. Correction: HW almost never with a spot 6.

    P. ganga; FW cellspot occassionally with a lower cellspot.
    HW without a spot 6 ; HW spots larger.
    FW spot 2 & 3 rectangualr so all the spots are close.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93040001.html


    P. apostata debdasi ;HW with a spot 6; UpF dark, spots 2 & 3 quadrate .spots are close together.
    See pix in revision below.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Asian_species



    Post 14.
    Has to be Caltoris bromus female.
    There are no other species to consider.


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 06-Sep-2020 at 06:09 AM.

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