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    Thank you, sir. Could you see if these are R. scintilla?
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    Post 11.
    Rapala varuna orseis.
    The UnH postdiscal band broad ,double white-sided, it & the cellend bar almost/or touch.
    The orange crown encircles the black spot.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ee8ec913-1.jpg

    In SE Asia the species is often strongly purple flushed.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...20Benedict.jpg


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    Thank you, sir. Could you see if all these are Parnara bada? All were found in same location. 1500 masl, central Nepal, September.
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    Sir, could you look at these Caltoris cf. sirius also? I thought these were C. sirius but recently read that only Caltoris kumara, Caltoris bromus and Caltoris canaraica have unH spots 2 and 3. C. kumara is out, and I suppose so is C. canaraica, so are these all C. bromus and not C. sirius? 500 ft., southern central Nepal, July. All same location.

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    Post 13.


    1 & 2.
    Both 1 & 2 have UnH with a spot 6 present.
    UpF with 1 with a lower cellspot & 2 with two cellspot.
    Parnara guttata mangala. Correction Parnara bada aberration with 1 & 2 cellspots.


    4 have no UpF cellspot & UnH with spots 2 - 5.
    FW spots 2 & 3 quadrate sothe discal spots are spread out.
    Parnara bada.


    Parnara bada FW almost always without any cellspot (occa. a lower one)
    FW spots 2 & 3 quadrate so the spots are wide apartUnH often with a spot 6.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93050001.html


    P. guttata ;Usually 2 cellspot, often lower one absent, also may not any cellspot.
    HW almost always with a spot 6. Correction: HW almost never with a spot 6.

    P. ganga; FW cellspot occassionally with a lower cellspot.
    HW without a spot 6 ; HW spots larger.
    FW spot 2 & 3 rectangualr so all the spots are close.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93040001.html


    P. apostata debdasi ;HW with a spot 6; UpF dark, spots 2 & 3 quadrate .spots are close together.
    See pix in revision below.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Asian_species



    Post 14.
    Has to be Caltoris bromus female.
    There are no other species to consider.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 06-Sep-2020 at 06:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyche View Post
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    P. guttata ;Usually 2 cellspot, often upper one absent, also may not any cellspot.
    HW almost always with a spot 6.
    Thank you, sir. C. bromus is new to Nepal. I'm confused about P. guttata, I thought it almost never had HW spot 6 while you said "almost always with a spot 6."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Thank you, sir. C. bromus is new to Nepal. I'm confused about P. guttata, I thought it almost never had HW spot 6 while you said "almost always with a spot 6."
    Oops. You are right P. guttata almost never with a HW spot 6.

    That means 1 & 2 could be either P. guttata with a HW spot 6 (very rare) or P. bada with cellspots ( one or two).

    The aapearance with the FW spots widely spaced is that of P. bada .

    Although there is no mention of P. bada with two cellspot it is always possible as an aberration.

    P. guttata with two cellspots ,the lower one almost obsolete, spots close together, ; HW without spot 6.
    https://v3.boldsystems.org/pics/HSPE...1276428550.JPG
    https://v3.boldsystems.org/pics/HSPE...1276428576.JPG



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    PS examples of Parnara with cellspots in Maharastra ,Karnateka, S. India where only P. bada is known
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7c7ba7bd-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c7ba097a-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ca70cada-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...e0043bd1-4.jpg

    P. ganga range extend to Gujarat & Madhya Pradesh.
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    Sir, could you tell me about Caltoris confusa? Can it have HW spots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Sir, could you tell me about Caltoris confusa? Can it have HW spots?

    Caltoris confusa.
    Similar to C. bromus but,
    1, Darker & often with reduced markings, ie. upper cellspot & spot 3 may be absent; FW spot 2 & 3 narrower ( tend to be quadrate in C. bromus )
    2. UnF without a spot/pale area in space 1b.
    UpF male without a spot in space 1b .(Note C. bromus male occasionally have a space 1b spot UpF.)
    3. UnH without spot ; overlaid with ochreous scalings; impossible to differentiate from bromus or sirius.

    There is an example from China in the article below. fig 19-20.
    https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/Atalanta_42_0193-0200.pdf
    Compare also with C. bromus female , fig 15, 16.
    And C. bromus male fig 49 to 52.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 14-Sep-2020 at 12:45 PM.

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    Thank you, sir. Could you look at this Rapala? I guess one of R. rectivitta or R. nissa.
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