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    Dear sir,
    Could you please check this Celaenorrhinus sp. for me? It looks very much like C. leucocera but has space 1b spot. C. pyrrha is another candidate but this individual lacks pale spots beyond sp 1b spots.

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    Post 179.

    It has to be C. leucocera with a minor aberration.

    BY following Evans' keys in two ways.

    1. Assuming the sub=basal spot in space 1b is valid.
    Key 1a, 1b, 1c, 3a(id), 5a(3b) 6a(5), 9a( 6b), 11 (9b) a dead end C. pero.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...norrhinus-pero

    C. pyrrha is out Key 6b to 9. as the antenna is chequered & only the club white.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c174a712cc.jpg


    2. Assuming the sub-basal spot is a minor aberration.
    Key 1a to 12a(1c) to 15a (12c).
    This include 3 species.. C patula, leucocera & putra.

    It matches C. leucocera very well.



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    Last edited by Psyche; 22-Oct-2021 at 07:30 AM.

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    Thank you so much, sir. Could you please check this Potanthus? Looks a little different than P. pseudomaesa.
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    Post 181.

    This does look good for Potanthus pseudomaesa clio.

    Evans state of pseudimaesa that the FW spots 4 & 5 are detached, but this less so in ssp clio.


    P pseudomaesa. small FW 12mm.
    Abdominal end broadly black banded.
    FW spots 4 & 5 detached or almost so, small overlap in ssp clio.
    HW upperside with the veins variably darken, but not on the underside.

    Ssp pseudomaesa.
    Sri lanka.
    https://slbutterflies.lk/storage/app...1492795816.JPG
    India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...9112ea6e-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...8ff14c0e-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-3.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-4.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...otra_ak402.jpg
    Ssp clio. Small overlap of spots 4 & 5 ( variable ).
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92740010.html
    Ssp. clio H. K. female.
    https://www.afcd.gov.hk/english/cons...seudomaesa.jpg


    Very similar.

    Potanthus mingo. FW 12mm.
    FW spots 4 & 5 with small overlaps ,may be deatched above.
    HW band ,veins not darken above & below.
    UnH band with deep inner step & outer margins strongly edged with dark spots & excavated.
    All Singapore examples.
    https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.ama...3/original.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2ujB...0/_MG_1531.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lQGrUAdKox...0/_MG_1529.jpg
    Female left, male right.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tFtROXZYi...us%2Bmingo.JPG


    May be confused.

    P. confucius. FW 12-13mm.
    Abdominal end yellow with a thin black line.
    FW band continuous & uninterrupted in the male veins not dark (variable in ssp diana.), band may be detached above in female.
    HW spot 6 absent or small.
    Ssp. diana.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...bf352d12-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai381.jpg
    SSp dushta. Band more irregular.
    https://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/16984275
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92790010.html


    Potanthus pava, FW 15mm.
    Abdominal end yellow with a narrow black band wider than in confucius.
    FW band may be narrow or wide continuous as in P. confucius.
    HW with a large spot 6 , more distinctive on the underside.
    May have a yellow patch at the base of FW space 2 as in Telicota colon.
    UnH spot 6 large, band edged in thin black lines.
    Broad band form.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...82f9fd27-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7f0e8a61-1.jpg
    Naarow band form Note unh large spot 6 & black edgings.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d7712114-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d7712114-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d7712114-3.jpg


    Potanthus trachala. FW 14-15mm.
    Abdominal end with black band.
    FW spots 4 & 5 with no overlap.
    Spots 2 & 3 narrow, with concave margins in the male.
    HW upper spot strongly projected out.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c574efd4-1.jpg
    Singapore.
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/bd...b0db7b591d.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._female_01.jpg


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    Last edited by Psyche; 21-Dec-2021 at 09:37 PM.

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