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    Post 77.

    They are both T. ohara jix.


    T. ohara jix.
    FW with male brand very narrow, straight & usually close to the outer border of the black space.
    UnH band with the inner margin straight or mostly so.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/monsoo...n/photostream/
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...ta-ohara-1.jpg


    T. bambusae bambusae.
    FW male brand broader & placed in the middle of the black space.
    UnH band inner margin strongly notched in space 4 .
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ad012.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7173dd76db.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d794d73a-1.jpg



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    Many thanks, sir. Pseudocoladenia fatih and fatua always confuse me, some individuals are so intermediate. Would this be fatua?

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    Sir, also, I'm very much confused by this royal. Could you check please?
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    Post 79.

    Very difficult.
    Based on your location in Nepal it should be P. fatih.


    The species are very similar & were onced considered as ssp.


    P. dan fabia.
    FW spot 2 & 3 with little or no overlap.
    FW cellend spot outer margin more strongly notched.
    Range Sikkim to Myanmar ,Ataran.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a_7/av091.jpg
    Female.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...f3866614-1.jpg

    P. festa.
    FW hyaline spots large & contiguous ; Spot 3 almost filling the base of space 3.
    Ground dark & dark spots often obscure. variable.
    Male hyaline spots distinctly yellow.
    Range Sikkim to Myanmar.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90640020.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...901ba965-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me..._7/a-28804.jpg


    P. fatih & fatua.

    FW spot 3 well away from the base of space 3, leaving a dark triangle.
    FW spot 3 & spot 2 overlap at least by half (typically ).

    P. fatih : Ground more ochreous, larger.
    Range Kangra to Nepal.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...42d5f970-1.jpg
    There are forms in which the ground is reddish.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...69fe8250-1.jpg


    P. fatua : smaller & the ground should be strongly reddish.
    Male FW more produced. Impossible to judge.
    Range Sikkim to N. Myanmar
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...b253737e-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...b3ce2506-1.jpg
    Browner form
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...924d5ec1-1.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Sir, also, I'm very much confused by this royal. Could you check please?
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    Likely to be a female Pratapa deva lila.
    The long labial palps 3rd segment & upperside pale blue suggest a female.
    Dsf with reduced black spot UnH & UpH marginal spots.

    Only Tajuria cippus & Pratapa deva lila may have the postdiscal band broken into linear streaks. Correction : also T. jehana.

    Example with UnH spot reduced to a dot.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...68c36a60-2.jpg

    Typical female with marginal black spots.Ssp. devana.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratap...Un_479_AC1.jpg


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    Tajuria cippus has jet black opaque eyes. This one's not a Tajuria ​for sure...
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    Thank you, sir. I was confused between Pratapa deva and Tajuria jehana actually. True, Tajuria cippus is very different with those black eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Thank you, sir. I was confused between Pratapa deva and Tajuria jehana actually. True, Tajuria cippus is very different with those black eyes.
    You got a point here.

    It also look similar to T. jehana as some have the HW band/line broken into streaks.

    However if it is correctly a female, than the jehana female have much heavier HW markings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander View Post
    Tajuria cippus has jet black opaque eyes. This one's not a Tajuria ​for sure...

    Great observation here , Khew.

    I somehow fail to notice it.


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