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Doubtful IDs from Nepal
Ok, I'm starting a new thread for my doubtful species from Nepal rather than creating many threads for each species. To start with, I had seen several of these Halpe back in April, central Nepal, what I think is H. arcuata. Again, it's not reported from Nepal and has been reported from as far as Assam in the far east. The only other recorded Halpe without FW cellspot here is Halpe filda.
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Sajan KC
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It is probably Halpe filda.
Definitely not H. arcuata.
H. arcuata.
FW spots 2 & 3 wide & almost fully overlapping.
FW without cellspot.
Subapical spots 2.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91350001.html
Halpe filda.
FW almost always without a cellspot.
Subapical spots 2 or 3.
FW spots 2 & 3 with only partial overlap.
Two others formerly included under H. homolea, H. aucma & molta have a prominent FW cellspot.
All three , H. fllda, aucma & molta can be seen in the link below ,Colour Plate 1.
https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/Neue-Ento..._0207-0263.pdf
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Thank you, Dr. Seow. Could you check on this Ypthima baldus as well? I don't see the characteristic striae on HW well like on my other individuals. Is there any other possibility?
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It does look s correct fot Ypthima baldus.
In this species the ground colour of the outer half of the wings are paler ,so the fasciae contrast more. ie the submarginal fasciae (bands) are very distinct.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7bea920f-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp/559/Ypthima-baldus
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41000001.html
The next closest Five-ring is Y. persimilis.
The ground colour is not much paler & the submarginal fasciae contrast poorly.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41063001.html
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Post 6.
Halpe arcuata
FW spots 2 & 3 are wide & broadly overlapping.
A small FW cellspot may sometimes be present as seen here.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91350001.html
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Post 5.
Male Potanthus pallida. Both 1 & 2 should be the same species. 1. male . 2 female.
Three species are rather similar.
P. pallida FW cell black hole more distinct; Spots 4 & 5 widely detached from spot 6, also detached or nearly so from spot 3.(fully detached in female).
FW spots 2 & c3 relatively narrow, about 1.5 X width of spots 4 & 5.
Abdominal end broadly black. Underside usually light coloured, bands edged in dark spots.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92720001.html
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...0830fdd1-1.jpg
https://www.flickriver.com/photos/33...0/48792637206/
Female Sri Lanka.
https://biodiversityofsrilanka.blogs...s-pallida.html
Potanthus lydia lydia. FW with distinct black hole in cell.
FW spots 4 & 5 lightly detached from spot 6 & usually with slight overlap with spot 3.
Spots 2 & 3 relatively wide about 2X that of 4 & 5.
Abominal end black ;
Underside lightly dark shaded & marked with dark spots.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/#!...otanthus-lydia
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92830001.html
SSp fraseri (Not found in India but give some idea of how P. lydia looks.
FW spots 4 & 5 may be fully detached . inner margins of spots 4 & 5 convergent.
https://www.flickriver.com/photos/gancw1/21048264764/
https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5648/2...e0f34ba0dc.jpg
Potanthus pseudomaesa. FW with black hole in cell narrow (ssp pseudomaesa).
FW spots 4 & 5 detached from spot 6 & with slight overlap tp spot 3. Spots 2 & 3 relatively broad.
Abdominal end with a black patch or band.
Underside lightly shaded , strong black spots.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92740010.html
SSp pseudomaesa S. India.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d7f5f8902c.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-3.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-4.jpg
P. trachala; FW spots 4 & 5 fully detached above & below.
Spots 2 & 3 narrow , concave in the male. Abdominal end black banded.
UnF subapical spots with a spiky appearance.
Male.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...cdb1b635-1.jpg
Male ssp tytleri. Singapore.
https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...perside_02.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvlAhJLLs...la-tytleri.jpg
Female.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c01d250e-1.jpg
https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec..._female_02.jpg
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Last edited by Psyche; 21-Aug-2020 at 06:11 AM.
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Sorry for the terrible pic (broken flash and low light), but I think this is P. nesta. Nepal, 1500 ft. August.
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Post 9.
Probably Potanthus mingo.
UnF spots with varying overlap.
UnH band upper end (spots 4 + 5) projected out.
Varying heavy black spots on HW band's outer margin.
Abdominal end strongly black- banded.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92810010.html
Singapore male.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2uj...0/_MG_1531.jpg
Mating pair Female left fresh, male right worn.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tFtROXZYi...us%2Bmingo.JPG
P. nesta; FW spots 4 & 5 outer margin often nearly in line with main band.
UnH band upper spots (4+5) not projected out or barely.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92800001.html
Probable P. nesta Thailand.
Note FW band straight; HW band is rectangular & spot 6 is absent.
https://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_...usparvus.v.jpg
Probable P. nesta ,India.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7cee7e8b-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7cee7e8b-1.jpg
P. lydia lydia. FW spots 4 & 5 inner margins often convergent. spots 2 & 3 wide.
Abdominal end almost wholly black.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...406e7d83-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...406e7d83-2.jpg
Compare P. lydia fraseri P. Malaysia.
https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...thus-lydia.jpg
P. pallida. FW spots 4 & 5 widely detached from spot 6, detached or just touch spot 3.
Underside may be lightly spotted; abdominal end strongly black-banded.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92720001.html
Sri Lankan male.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...VwCjA&usqp=CAU
Probable male India; Note wide spacing between FW spot 5 & 6, easily seen on UpF, and poor underside markings.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...76a88b2f-1.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...76a88b2f-2.jpg
P. trachala FW spots 4 & 5 typically fully detached .spots 2 & 3 quadrate with concave margins in the male.
Abdominal end black banded ;UnH band upper part strongly projected.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvlAhJLLs...la-tytleri.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-d1uwxt7AT...s_trachala.jpg
P. rectifasciatus ;FW band nearly straight; UnH band continuous in a curve, spot 6 very large.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/38661764476
P. palnia; FW spot 5 often smaller than spot 5.
Underside dark shaded in a greenish tinge, no obvious spot.
Abdominal end mostly black.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/37999817064
P. flava alcon. FW band mostly straight tapering to spot 5.
In ssp flava underside often heavily dark spotted.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92780010.html
See images of P. nesta & mara in Evans' Hesperiid catalogue.
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