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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyche View Post
    It is probably Halpe filda.
    Definitely not H. arcuata.


    H. arcuata.
    FW spots 2 & 3 wide & almost fully overlapping.
    FW without cellspot.
    Subapical spots 2.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91350001.html


    Halpe filda.
    FW almost always without a cellspot.
    Subapical spots 2 or 3.
    FW spots 2 & 3 with only partial overlap.


    Two others formerly included under H. homolea, H. aucma & molta have a prominent FW cellspot.

    All three , H. fllda, aucma & molta can be seen in the link below ,Colour Plate 1.
    https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/Neue-Ento..._0207-0263.pdf


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    This individual has overlapped FW spots, found on the same location though.
    3.jpg
    4.jpg
    5.jpg
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    Post 6.
    Halpe arcuata

    FW spots 2 & 3 are wide & broadly overlapping.
    A small FW cellspot may sometimes be present as seen here.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91350001.html

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    Post 5.
    Male Potanthus pallida. Both 1 & 2 should be the same species. 1. male . 2 female.

    Three species are rather similar.

    P. pallida FW cell black hole more distinct; Spots 4 & 5 widely detached from spot 6, also detached or nearly so from spot 3.(fully detached in female).
    FW spots 2 & c3 relatively narrow, about 1.5 X width of spots 4 & 5.
    Abdominal end broadly black. Underside usually light coloured, bands edged in dark spots.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92720001.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...0830fdd1-1.jpg
    https://www.flickriver.com/photos/33...0/48792637206/
    Female Sri Lanka.
    https://biodiversityofsrilanka.blogs...s-pallida.html

    Potanthus lydia lydia. FW with distinct black hole in cell.
    FW spots 4 & 5 lightly detached from spot 6 & usually with slight overlap with spot 3.
    Spots 2 & 3 relatively wide about 2X that of 4 & 5.
    Abominal end black ;
    Underside lightly dark shaded & marked with dark spots.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/#!...otanthus-lydia
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92830001.html

    SSp fraseri (Not found in India but give some idea of how P. lydia looks.
    FW spots 4 & 5 may be fully detached . inner margins of spots 4 & 5 convergent.
    https://www.flickriver.com/photos/gancw1/21048264764/
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5648/2...e0f34ba0dc.jpg


    Potanthus pseudomaesa. FW with black hole in cell narrow (ssp pseudomaesa).
    FW spots 4 & 5 detached from spot 6 & with slight overlap tp spot 3. Spots 2 & 3 relatively broad.
    Abdominal end with a black patch or band.
    Underside lightly shaded , strong black spots.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92740010.html

    SSp pseudomaesa S. India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d7f5f8902c.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-3.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-4.jpg

    P. trachala; FW spots 4 & 5 fully detached above & below.
    Spots 2 & 3 narrow , concave in the male. Abdominal end black banded.
    UnF subapical spots with a spiky appearance.
    Male.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...cdb1b635-1.jpg
    Male ssp tytleri. Singapore.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...perside_02.jpg
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvlAhJLLs...la-tytleri.jpg

    Female.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c01d250e-1.jpg
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec..._female_02.jpg



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    Last edited by Psyche; 21-Aug-2020 at 06:11 AM.

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    Sorry for the terrible pic (broken flash and low light), but I think this is P. nesta. Nepal, 1500 ft. August.
    1.jpg
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    Post 9.

    Probably Potanthus mingo.
    UnF spots with varying overlap.
    UnH band upper end (spots 4 + 5) projected out.
    Varying heavy black spots on HW band's outer margin.
    Abdominal end strongly black- banded.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92810010.html
    Singapore male.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f3wB2A2uj...0/_MG_1531.jpg
    Mating pair Female left fresh, male right worn.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tFtROXZYi...us%2Bmingo.JPG

    P. nesta; FW spots 4 & 5 outer margin often nearly in line with main band.
    UnH band upper spots (4+5) not projected out or barely.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92800001.html
    Probable P. nesta Thailand.
    Note FW band straight; HW band is rectangular & spot 6 is absent.
    https://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_...usparvus.v.jpg
    Probable P. nesta ,India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7cee7e8b-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7cee7e8b-1.jpg


    P. lydia lydia. FW spots 4 & 5 inner margins often convergent. spots 2 & 3 wide.
    Abdominal end almost wholly black.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...406e7d83-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...406e7d83-2.jpg
    Compare P. lydia fraseri P. Malaysia.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...thus-lydia.jpg

    P. pallida. FW spots 4 & 5 widely detached from spot 6, detached or just touch spot 3.
    Underside may be lightly spotted; abdominal end strongly black-banded.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92720001.html
    Sri Lankan male.
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...VwCjA&usqp=CAU
    Probable male India; Note wide spacing between FW spot 5 & 6, easily seen on UpF, and poor underside markings.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...76a88b2f-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...76a88b2f-2.jpg


    P. trachala FW spots 4 & 5 typically fully detached .spots 2 & 3 quadrate with concave margins in the male.
    Abdominal end black banded ;UnH band upper part strongly projected.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kvlAhJLLs...la-tytleri.jpg
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-d1uwxt7AT...s_trachala.jpg

    P. rectifasciatus ;FW band nearly straight; UnH band continuous in a curve, spot 6 very large.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/38661764476


    P. palnia; FW spot 5 often smaller than spot 5.
    Underside dark shaded in a greenish tinge, no obvious spot.
    Abdominal end mostly black.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/33212211@N00/37999817064

    P. flava alcon. FW band mostly straight tapering to spot 5.
    In ssp flava underside often heavily dark spotted.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92780010.html


    See images of P. nesta & mara in Evans' Hesperiid catalogue.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 29-Aug-2020 at 11:56 PM.

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    Thank you, sir. Could you see if these are R. scintilla?
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    Post 11.
    Rapala varuna orseis.
    The UnH postdiscal band broad ,double white-sided, it & the cellend bar almost/or touch.
    The orange crown encircles the black spot.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ee8ec913-1.jpg

    In SE Asia the species is often strongly purple flushed.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...20Benedict.jpg


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