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    Post 125.

    The two spwcies can be hard to judge in some cases.
    The position of the costal spot can be ambiguous.
    The text states in C. panormus the FW costal spot is adjoining the band ,meaning it is very close to it.
    The upperside colouration is also hard to judge in photos.

    Here are pictures of both.

    C. panormus male.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81010010.html

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...db012a21-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...db012a21-2.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ah952.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ah951.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...kare_al137.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...kare_al136.jpg


    C. strabo. male.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/81000001.html

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...luri_ak117.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...luri_ak116.jpg


    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...a_7/tbe590.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...a_7/tbe589.jpg


    In male C. strabo the FW submarginal chevrons are more flatten out so that the submarginal band have more level margins.
    On the HW the submarginal chevrons are all rather broad.

    In C. panormus male, the FW submarginal chevrons are strongly V-shaped.
    On the HW the submarginal chevrons are all narrower.

    From all the examples this individual is a C. strabo male . The upperside normally have darker outer streaks


    The females of both species have UnH submarginal chevrons broad.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...luri_ak122.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...luri_ak123.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...fe924dd5-1.jpg


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    Last edited by Psyche; 09-May-2021 at 11:38 PM.

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    Thank you, sir. I had an impression that silvery veins on upperwings means C. panormus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Thank you, sir. I had an impression that silvery veins on upperwings means C. panormus.
    The vein stripes are present in both species at certain angle & is not diagnostic.
    The text state C. panormus male is pale clear blue & in C. strabo male it is lilact (pale purplish blue).
    In photos the colour varies so much it is impossible to judge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawab View Post
    Thank you, sir. I had an impression that silvery veins on upperwings means C. panormus.

    I think you are right here.

    So far in India this feature is consistent.
    It would appear that the silvery veins are evident only when the butterfly is still alive.

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ccd146d3-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ccd146d3-2.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ed04bfcc-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ed04bfcc-1.jpg


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    PS. As for post 125 it should still be C. strabo.
    Similar to this male.
    https://www.learnaboutbutterflies.co...s%20strabo.htm


    PS 2. Australia have only species, C. panormus. (+ a totally different C. amasea.)
    This is C. panormus in Australia.
    https://dl.id.au/1/g.php?c=4&i=162
    http://lepidoptera.butterflyhouse.co.../panormus.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 10-May-2021 at 08:43 PM.

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    Noted. Thank you again for confirming, sir.
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    Sir, could you please see this?
    1.jpg

    Antenna closeup
    UL2A6869.JPG
    Last edited by Nawab; 11-May-2021 at 01:43 PM.
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    Which Neptis?

    2.jpg
    1.jpg
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    Post 131.

    Should be Parnara bada probably dsf with poorly defined markings.

    Parnara have shorter antenna, a thicker club & a short apiculus which sometimes not visible.


    P. mathias almost always with a HW cellspot. longer antennal with gradual club & apiculus.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...opidas-mathias


    Parnara bada; FW with spot 3 equidistant from spot 2 & 4.
    HW typically with a spot 6. Spots 2 - 5 usually small & rounded.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...119c8e50-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...119c8e50-1.jpg

    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93050001.html



    Parnara ganga FW spot 3 typically nearer spot 2 & farther from spot 4. A small lower cellspot may be present.
    HW almost always without a spot 6. Spots 2 - 5 tend to be larger & conjoined.
    http://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.c...tal-swift.html

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...dba7a69f-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...dba7a69f-1.jpg

    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93040001.html

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    Post 132.

    Neptis nata adipala.
    FW submarginal spots distinctly bent in at apex.
    FW posdiscal spots rounded & well separated.
    HW discal white band of uniform width.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720190010.html


    Similar.
    FW submarginal spots strongly bent in at apex.
    FW postdiscal spots larger & closer together.
    HW white discal band widens toward the costa (upper margin).
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720180010.html


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