Doubtful IDs from Nepal

[Nawab]

Thank you, sir. Looks right, but the antennal club is very different. Here's my Ochlodes brahma for comparison.

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[Psyche]

In the post 89 shot there is a severe perspective distortion.

The antenna & wings are stretched out to the left & right as in a wide-angle shot.


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[Nawab]

That is possible, thank you sir!

[Nawab]

In response to Post 89.
The confusion grows. I found another individual but without HW spots, same place and same date and time. But I had apparently IDed this as Pedesta pandita, so was in a different folder. This leads me to think that Post 89 was same species with HW spots. Angle distortion seems weird since I have many pics of these individuals with same morphology. Could you share your thoughts, sir?
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[Psyche]

Some Pedesta?
Attachment 26910

Both shots show the same distortion ie the body is too long.

I think if the camera is set on wide angle for scenery shots, using the macro mode for closeup would cause the subject to be stretched out laterally ie left & right.
However, I will need a camera pro to comment on this.

It is possible both are of the same species.

In pic post 89 it is definitely a male (abdominal end, FW rounded apex & straight termen)
P. pandita can be ruled out as the male antenna is tipped orange & have a white spot.
Male P. pandita.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...00375cb7-2.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...53f557fe-1.jpg
Female ;FW apex more pointed, termen convex, longer body profile.Antenna without a white dot.
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...529b5547-1.jpg


P. panda is not known to have HW spot.
It does not look quite right for Ochlodes brahma.


In a search for something similar, this appear to match Pedesta (Thoressa) masuriensis tali.
In the taxon tali the FW spots are yellow & the HW range from spotless to a variable number. The antenna is more gradual.
You may download the pdf, page 199, images 14 (spotless HW) & 15.
Not sure if this is possible. Zobodat pdf article.
https://www.google.com/search?q=note...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Author Hao Huang state that tali is so different that it is probably a different species.
HOwever it is found farther to the east in Sichuan & Yunnan.


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[Nawab]

Thank you, sir. I found a similar variant of Pedesta recently. Comparison with typical Pedesta masuriensis given for reference.
Typical Pedesta masuriensis.
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1b.
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HW spots missing, upper FW spots less compact, and background more brownish, almost like in P. pandita.
2a.
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2b.
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[Nawab]

Could you look at this Neptis as well, sir? It seems like Neptis capnodes pandoces to me.
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[Psyche]

Pedesta masuriensis tali is also elevated to full species as Pedesta tali.

You can see both here.
Fig 46 & 47 ( underside) P. masuriensis.

Fig 48 & 49 (underside) P. tali.
The underside often have 3 spots here rather diffuse.

https://zenodo.org/record/3990965#.YHMMQB8zaUk



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[Psyche]

Post 97.

Agreed. It should be Neptis capnodes.

4 species are somewhat similar.

FW submarginal spots gently curved at apex; FW postdiscal spots rounded & well separated.
HW discal band of nearly uniform width.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720190010.html
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720120010.html


FW submarginal spots distinctly bent in at apex; FW postdiscal spots may be large & close.

1. Neptis capnodes: HW discal band of nearly uniform width.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720170010.html

2. Neptis soma ;HW discal band broader at costa.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720180010.html


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[Nawab]

Many thanks, sir. Could you check this Rapala as well? I think this is Rapala tara but the tornal spot isn't very much diffused. Maybe R. damona?
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