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    Default Id help for Pelopidas sp.

    Dear Dr. Seow Sir,these all Pelopidas photographed in Tripura, Northeastern India...Your help in identification will be highly appreciated...

    Thank u in advance....

    1. Pelopidas thrax masta?

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    2. Pelopidas subochracea?

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    3. Pelopidas agna?

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    4. Pelopidas subochracea?

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    5. Pelopidas mathias?

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    6. Pelopidas assamensis?

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    7. Pelopidas assamensis?

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    9. Pelopidas sinensis?

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    Pelopidas is extra hard to ID in India.
    (Actually everything is extra hard. )

    It is necessary to get the species correct in the first place.

    Pelopidas mathias;.Male FW brand cut in the lower third by a line thru the two cellspots.Spot 2 usually quadrate, but may be rectangular.
    Female , a line thru the cellspots moves closer to the spot in space 1b.
    Underside with an uneven ground colour; marginal & HW discal areas with pale shadings. strong in DSF.
    HW spots may be dark-rimmed in especially in DSF.

    Male & Female , India,
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...b1885147-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5811259b-1.jpg

    Singapore male showing a line thru cellspot cuting lower third of brand.
    Note spot 2 is not always quadrate.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vqr7KmROf...perside_01.jpg


    Singapore female showinga line thru cellspots comes close to spot 1b.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eYsLtkDVM...perside_02.jpg
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7JuPSD_pj...derside_02.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 30-Jun-2020 at 07:53 AM.

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    Pelopidas agna.
    Male Male: A line thru the two cellspots just tip the end of the brand or miss it.
    Female: A line thru the cellspots moves away from the spot in space 1b.
    Male spot 2 typically linear but may be broader & more rectangular (becoming similar to mathias male).
    Underside ground colour more even & uniform brown, may be greenish, without obvious pale shadings in the marginal zones.
    UnH spots not dark-ringed.
    Male Taiwan: A line from the cellspots just tip the brand.
    https://knowledge.taibif.tw/sites/de...y/00015163.jpg

    Singapore male & female.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec...Horace-Tan.jpg
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7zXwSQZiZ...SwiftF-KSK.jpg
    ?Taiwan female.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...a_20140621.jpg

    Singapore female showing a line thru the cellspots move away from the space 1b spot.
    https://www.butterflycircle.com/chec..._female_02.jpg

    Indian males (Strangely not a single female).
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...fc926ac7-5.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...fc926ac7-7.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...6030f376-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...6030f376-2.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 30-Jun-2020 at 07:41 AM.

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    Pelopidas thrax.
    Male : A line thru the cellspots just miss the brand much as in P. agna.
    Male brand more prominent & whiter than mathias or agna.
    Underside fairly uniformly brown, without pale marginal shadings.
    HW spots distinctly dark-rimmed.
    Oman.
    https://i1.rgstatic.net/publication/...rgepreview.png
    Turkey.Male.
    http://dogalhayat.org/property/pelopidas-thrax/
    Israel.male.
    https://israel-nature-site.com/wp-co...as-thrax-1.jpg
    Females Greece.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/117576577@N03/46260007852
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...7Sa-sU1cVUFnIN


    Evans states of ssp masta.
    Darker; UnH usually only the double spots in space 4-5 conspicuous, the rest replaced by dark marks; UpH usually with a double spot in space 4-5.
    Last edited by Psyche; 30-Jun-2020 at 07:52 AM.

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    Pelopidas subochracea.Large.
    Male with a brand: A line thru the cellspots just tip the end of it.
    Underside with uneven ground colour & pale shadings in the marginal zones as in mathias.
    UnH with reduced spots typically spot 2, 3, & 6 sometimes spot 4 as well.Typically spot 6 largest.
    Subapical spots mostly in line.(Compare thrax, agna & mathias.)
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ae455.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ak574.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ak557.jpg
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/drsaji/2355647044


    Pelopidas sinensis. Large. The 3 subapical spots mostly in line.
    Male ;A line thru the cellspots tip the brand.
    FW spots yellowish , HW spots white , in space 2, 3, 4, 5, (6) in a nearly straight line.
    Antennal club with a white area on basal part of club beneath.
    http://www.jpmoth.org/~dmoth/Ogata_c..._sinensis.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ai527.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...unte_ai585.jpg


    Pelopidas conjuncta ;Large. Male without a brand. The 3 subapical spots strongly out of line.
    FW spots yellow , cellspots large separate .HW spots white, arranged in an arc.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...34296bc3-4.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...34296bc3-3.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ac767.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ac764.jpg


    Pelopidas assamensis. Very large.
    All spots white, FW spots large, & cellspots may join.
    Antennal with a broad white band.
    HW spots may be reduced to spots 4-5.
    Subapical mostly in line.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...akar_ap010.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c5016c6e-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...b8d4404e-1.jpg
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    1. Pelopidas agna.
    The line drawn from the cellspots miss the brand. The underside is quite uniform brown, no spot reduction & no dark rim.
    The brand looks white but this is unreliable.

    2. P. agna. The subapical spots well out of line; uniform underside without pale shading.

    3. P. agna.

    4. P. agna ;Subapicals out of line ;uniform underside without pale shading.

    5. P. mathias ;Line from cellspots cut into lower part of brand ;& uneven underside.

    6. & 7 typical P. assamensis.

    8 & 9. P. conjuncta ; FW spots yellow; HW spots white in an arc; subapical spots out of line.


    TL Seow
    Last edited by Psyche; 30-Jun-2020 at 12:22 AM.

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