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    Wow...never expected this much of information in a single post...a simple thank you will not be enough to acknowledge your efforts...thank you so much sir...
    But only one thing, Ypthima nareda is not distributed in North East India. So any other possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffron View Post
    Wow...never expected this much of information in a single post...a simple thank you will not be enough to acknowledge your efforts...thank you so much sir...
    But only one thing, Ypthima nareda is not distributed in North East India. So any other possibility.
    I forgot to check out the three rings properly.

    11 D Ypthima watsoni. Correction : wrong ID.
    Submarginal fascia broaden into a wide marginal band on both side. Fascia absent but a faint line often present.
    http://www.samuibutterflies.com/expe...pthimawatsoni/


    Ypthima lycus have no submarginal fascia.
    Fig 2.
    https://archive.org/stream/journalof...e/194/mode/1up
    Y. asterope. small spots
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...otra_ag817.jpg
    Y. confusa 'Reduced marginal banding.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/project_...thima-confusa/

    Y. fusca ;As in nareda but FW submarginal not expanded; Un submarginal straight; coarse striae; whitish HW mid band.

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    Last edited by Psyche; 26-Jun-2020 at 06:23 PM.

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    Wow...this is extraordinary work...i feel proud to be a member of this group...
    In the name of the master Sunny Chir and extraordinary Dr. TL seow sir,

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    ID Correction .

    11 D is not Ypthima watsoni.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/attac...5&d=1593081495


    Some of the website images of Y. watsoni are in error.

    Ypthima watsoni ;
    UpF with a prominent fascia inside of the ocellus. This & the submarginal fascia forms a loop round the ocellus.
    This is hidden from view.
    Submarginal fascia variably heavy.
    UnH also with a postdiscal fascia.
    HW spot 5 & spot 2 of about equal size.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41170001.html

    It also does not match Y. confusa well. The ground is more uniform in Y. confusa.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41150001.html
    https://thaibutterflies.com/project_...thima-confusa/

    There is a strong suggestion this is Ypthima fusca.
    Elwes & Edwards description of Y. fusca.
    Page 21 last two paragraphs under Y. nareda./
    In particular similar to Y. nareda.
    Ground whiter with coarser striolations.
    Distinct indication of a HW post-median white band.
    https://archive.org/stream/transacti...ge/20/mode/1up




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    PS. Possibly just a Ypthima confusa variant.
    Last edited by Psyche; 26-Jun-2020 at 09:56 PM. Reason: PS

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    10. Choaspes furcatus.



    C. stgmatusTail lobe much longer than the main black mark; black marks well-spaced out.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90300010.html
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/36080964220
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...-stigmatus.jpg
    '
    The other three have shorter 'tail'.

    C. benjaminii ;HW space 1b black mark usually narrower than the adjacent orange space; green head hairs cover most of top part around the eye.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90310010.html
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...rasekharan.jpg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...on_Awlking.jpg

    C. furcatus ;HW black mark in space 1b strongly incurved; Upper rim of eye have more orange hair.Male up. brownish.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90340001.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...oaspes-furcata
    https://thaibutterflies.com/Butterflies/page/64/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/buxa_t...e/10169827105/


    C. xanthopogon ;HW black in space 1b typically much wider than the adjacent orange space; male up. brown
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90320001.html
    https://thaibutterflies.com/project_...iidae/page/64/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/irrubescens/16067619111


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    13 Choaspes benjaminii.

    The differences in Choaspes is very slight.


    Choaspes benjaminii
    HW black mark in space 1b typically simple, straight, as a rounded spot , may be incurved slightly.
    Green hairs cover the upper rim of the eye.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c60cf641-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...kare_am792.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5df875b0-1.jpg


    Choaspes furcata.
    HW black mark in space 1b , large incurved.
    Orange hairs extend round the upper rim of the eye.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a_7/av115.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a_7/av117.jpg
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/90340001.html

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    11 D.
    Ypthima confusa.

    This is a very good match for this from Thailand.
    http://www.samuibutterflies.com/expe...pthimawatsoni/

    The Ypthima in SE Asia are well researched by Japanese entomologists .
    There is no mention of a Y. fusca which is largely unknown.
    Thus Y. confusa is the closest & likely correct match.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41150001.html
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41170001.html


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    Thank you so much Dr. Seow sir...I know it was indeed time consuming and requires a lot of hard work and patience to check and follow literature for several species at the same time...as i already said i am really thankful to you... really appreciate and acknowledge your valuable guidance and suggestions...it is very difficult to id Ypthima with such minute variations...but this discussion will really help me to improve my thoughts and vision on Ypthima especially...

    Cheers

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    In a way I am glad you brought this up.
    I remembered there was a lot of confusion between what is Y. watsoni, confusa & norma (not found in India)in the past.
    This was the cause of several mis-IDs on the web.
    The Yutaka website on Ypthima ,updated in 2019 has cleared all these uncertainties.

    BTW, you will notice 11D is a near identical match for the female Y. confusa from Chiang Mai.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/sat/41150001.html

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