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    Thanks Dr Seow for very detailed explanations.
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    Greetings for South India Dr Seow

    ID help requested on following two specimens.

    I have only one UN view image of this one. Is it possible to identify it? Image shot in our home garden, Mangalore, Coastal Karnataka, South India in November 2017
    20171104-IMG_0227 by GKBaliga, on Flickr



    The following two pictures are of the same individual shot at Sammilan Shetty Butterfl Park, Belvai, (On the base of Western Ghats) near Mangalore, Karnataka, South India in Sept 2017
    I am unable to fix the id at Pelopidas mathias / agna / subochracea / conjuncta. Though P. subochracea is usually found in deep forest with bamboo plantations, some authors are of the view
    that they occur in urban and semiurban areas also because of the ornamental bamboo being planted in gardens.

    JPG-20170919-P1040788 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    JPG-20170919-P1040790 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    The following one shot at our home in Mangalore, Coastal Karnataka, South India in June 2017

    P1080565 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
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    Post 12.

    1. Pelopidas agna male. subapical spots are well out of line.
    The underside is quite evenly brown though there is a marginal b'band' which appear more structural ,than die to clour change.
    Male & female.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ak890.jpg
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/579/22...f00c7df8_b.jpg

    P. mathias male & female :Diffuse pale shadins marginal & UnH centrally.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...88e37405-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5811259b-1.jpg

    2 & 3 Female P. agna. Pix 2 shows UnF marginal area evenly brown.

    Female P. agna; aline thru the 2 cellspots move away from the spot in space 1b.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._female_02.jpg
    Female P. mathias ;a line thru the cellspots moves near or cut spot 1b.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eYsLtkDVM7...perside_02.jpg

    4.. Female probably P. mathiasA line thru the FW cellspots move towards spot 1b; spot 2 more crescentic.


    P. subochracea; Large ;FW subapical spots more in line; celspots large.
    UnH spots reduced , often spot 2, 3, 6, (as in Borbo) with spot 6 biggest; spot are slightly dark-rimmed.
    Marginal areas may be lightly paler.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...as-subochracea

    Pelopias conjunctus/conjuncta.Large.
    FW spots distinctly yellow; UnH spots white.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ac764.jpg


    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thank you so much for all the help Dr. Seow.
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    Greetings from South India Dr Seow

    Uploading two images of the same specimen. Id help would be appreciated.
    Is it Pelopidas Agna Female? Shot at our home, Mangalore. West Coast of Karnataka State today.

    20190710-IMG_6052 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    20190710-IMG_6057 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
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    Post 16.

    These Pelopidas can be very tough to ID.

    P. mathias is greyer on the underside & also have more uneven shadings.
    http://butterflycircle.blogspot.com/...ded-swift.html
    In P. agna UnH is more uniform in colour.
    http://butterflycircle.blogspot.com/...gal-swift.html


    The UnH looks uneven & is also greyer than in post 12.
    UnH spot 7 is more often present in P. mathias.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...opidas-mathias
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...Pelopidas-agna

    The upF alignment of the two cellspots seem to move away from the space 1b spot suggesting P. agnabut this often variable.


    Overall I think it is P. mathias but certainly not confident here.

    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    True Dr. Seow. These little rascals jump up and down, make us run behind them and when we shoot a photo they are a pain to identify.

    But I am optimistic

    Yes, the UNH colouration is uneven.

    Spot 2 on UPF is usually quadrate in P. mathias, which is not the case in this specimen.
    There in no brand on UPF in female. (To check where the imaginary line thru cell spots cut the brand). These two points confused me on the id.

    But yes, on the whole pointers are towards P. mathias.

    Thank you so much.
    Regards gkbaliga

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