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    Greetings for the Festival of Lights - Happy Deepawali Dr. Seow

    Can this be identified as Pelopidas mathias? Shot at our Home, Mangalore, Karnataka State, South India, West Coast.

    I notice these : UN brown uneven, with paler marginal areas


    20181112-IMG_5455 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
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    I do agree it is Pelopidas mathias.

    It does get tricky in some cases.
    Here are examples of Indian P. agna & mathias.

    P. mathias male.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...asambe_(2).jpg
    Female .Taken in Africa. P. mathias occur throughout sub-Saharan Africa.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pelopidas_sp.jpg
    P. mathias female India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...88e37405-1.jpg

    P. agna males.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelopi...18_09_2012.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ak890.jpg
    P. agna female.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...a_20140621.jpg


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    Dr. T L Seow Sir,
    What will be the id key pointer for Pelopidas thrax, mathias, agna. Please guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflyrajib View Post
    Dr. T L Seow Sir,
    What will be the id key pointer for Pelopidas thrax, mathias, agna. Please guide.
    This is a tough one.
    I will like to know first if P. thrax is found in South India .
    From the book it seem to be Pakistan ,Punjab, Delhi to Sikkim & Manipur (as ssp masta).

    From the underside it is very similar to P. mathias with white shadings.
    It will be necessary to determine if images from S. India are P. thrax or P. mathias dsf.


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    PS. I presume P. thrax may have been recorded in your area ,West Bengal.

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    Thanks for the identification of original Image posted by me Dr Seow.

    Even I am interested in the question of our good friend Rajib.

    Let us assume we have UP view along with UN view also.
    How can we differentiate between the three species? P. mathias, P. agna, P.thrax.
    Broad guidelines also sufficient now.

    No. We do not have P. thrax in South India.

    Synoptic Catalogue (Varshney and Smetacek) says

    221. Pelopidas thrax (Huebner, [1821]) Small Branded Swift
    i. Pelopidas thrax masta Evans, 1949
    Sikkim to N.E. India.
    ii. Pelopidas thrax thrax (Huebner, [1821])
    Jammu & Kashmir to Delhi & Gujarat.

    We have heard of reported presence of Pelopidas thrax masta occurence in West Bengal, but it is not confirmed by voucher copy and genitalia studies. Hence we do not have confirmation as of now. The reports are based on images. So we would like to understand pictorial id first before more evidence can be found.
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    I think they can be ID'ed especially with fresh individuals.


    Pelopidas thrax; P thrax thrax ,Mediterranean to Delhi. ssp masta Sikkim & Manipur.

    1.Male brand whitish.
    2 .FW upper cellspot often teardrop shape ( horizontally).
    3. UnH spots distinctly margined with dark brown; some spots reduced to dark rings.
    4. Underpart of body ie. head, thorax, & abdomen strongly whitish.
    5. Ssp mastaUnH spots mostly dark rings except spots 4 & 5.
    Greek islands.
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile...2007-Right.png
    http://www.pyrgus.de/Pelopidas_thrax_en.html
    Turkey
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eccwOVlYqY..._2649%252B.jpg

    There are pix in which the marginal areas are pale shaded much as in P. mathias from S. India, but the pix are from Africa.
    Nigeria.
    http://tolweb.org/Pelopidas_thrax

    P. agna.
    1 UpF male with spot 2 & 3 very narrow & rectangular .
    2. Male brand dark.
    3. UnH uniformly ochreous brown .
    4. UnH spots not dark-ringed.

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ac952.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...18_09_2012.jpg
    female
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...a_20140621.jpg


    Pelopidas mathias.
    1, Male brand dark.
    2. FW spot 2 & 3 quadrate.
    3. UnH greyer with pale marginal shading .
    4. UnH spots not dark-ringed.


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    Thank you very much Dr. Seow.

    I think we need to study this subject further.

    P. thrax looks difficult. We'll keep learning anyways.
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    Thanks T L Seow Sir. Actually if we know them perfectly then finding chances will be high (for me). Always I am going with male sex band and imaginery line (UPF nearer cell spots) which was make me very much confused.

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    Respected T L Seow Sir,
    Can you share some images of P. mathias where we will get clear upper wing view (male dark brand, FW spot 2,3)

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    Rajib Dey

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    I kind of forgot that P. mathias is also found in Africa since my reference book did not mention it.
    In fact both P. thrax & mathias are found widely in Subsaharan Africa.
    http://www.metamorphosis.org.za/arti...s%20Walker.pdf

    As there is no example of P. thrax with whitish shading through out the Mediterranean & the Middle East, this means the examples with white marginal shading on the wings are mis-ID'ed P. mathias.
    eg.http://tolweb.org/Pelopidas_thrax


    The three species can now be separated with greater confidence.

    Pelopidas thrax.
    1. Upperside; FW with upper cellspot typically wide (elongate horizontally),often teardrop shape.
    Male with the brand whitish.
    Female with spots rather larger than in P. agna & mathias female.
    2.Underside uniformly light brown.
    HW spots with darker brown margins ,some of the spots reduced to dark rings/spots.
    Underpart of body generally whiter thn the other species.
    Males.
    https://www.biolib.cz/IMG/GAL/174735.jpg
    http://www.pyrgus.de/bilder1/hesperi...rax_3f2013.jpg
    Females.
    http://www.pyrgus.de/bilder1/hesperi...rax_8f2013.jpg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...Swift_05-5.jpg

    Subspecies masta Sikkim to Manipur.
    UnH with spots 4 & 5, the rest absent or reduced to dark spots.


    Pelopidas agna
    1. Upperside both cellspots rounded.
    Male brand dark.
    Male spot 2 & 3 typically narrow & rectangular.
    A line through the two cellspots usually bypass or just tip the lower end of the brand.
    2. Underside uniformly brown ,often ochreous.
    HW spots not margined in darker brown.

    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93090001.html
    Males.
    https://ml.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%...ai_078_(2).jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...Horace-Tan.jpg
    Females.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._female_02.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...SwiftF-KSK.jpg


    Pelopidas mathias
    1. Upperside FW cellspots rounded.
    Male brand dark.
    Male spot 2 & 3 typically quadrate but may be somewhat rectangular.
    A line through the two cellspot cut the lower part of the male brand.
    Female spots as in the female P. agna . A line thru the 2 cellspots is closer to the spot in space 1b than in the case of the P. agna female but not reliable.
    2. Underside greyer brown ,uneven, with pale shadings in the marginal areas ,variable; HW spots may have darker margins.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93120001.html
    Males.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vu2BuAb4wk...side_03XYZ.gif
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vqr7KmROfe...perside_01.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Gzu0QPtBPM...nded+Swift.jpg
    Females.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-f8ydI8r9_g...perside_01.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zld9bl5mdB...S_adult_01.jpg

    The best identification is from the underside

    P. mathias ; Un with paler whitish shadings in the marginal areas ; spots may have dark margins ;UpF male brand dark.

    P. agna .UnH uniform brown, ochreous, spots without dark margins; UpF male brand dark

    P. thrax; UnH uniform light brown ;spots with dark margins, some spots may be reduced to dark rings/dots; UpF male brand whitish, upper cellspot elongate .


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    Last edited by Psyche; 17-Nov-2018 at 07:17 AM.

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