ID for few Butterflies from Bhutan

[gkbaliga]

Hello Dr Seow

Posting on behalf of Mr. Tshulthrim Drukpa Wangyel again
Both shot in Bhutan and both images are of the same specimen.
Could this be Pelopidas Agna?

Pelopidas2 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


Pelopidas by GKBaliga, on Flickr

[Psyche]

post 20.
Yes this is a male Pelopidas agna.

P. agna Un ground uniformly brown : Male UpF spot 2 always rectangular , often very narrow.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/...c57b0179_b.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...SC2992_(2).JPG
http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...unte_ak553.jpg

P. mathias ;Un greyish brown uneven, with paler marginal areas;Male UpF with spot 2 quadrate/trapezoid.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vqr7KmROfe...perside_01.jpg
https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...otra_ap754.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pelopidas_sp.jpg

Note the females of the two on the upperside are practically identical.
http://butterflycircle.blogspot.com/...gal-swift.html


TL Seow; Cheers.

[gkbaliga]

Thank you for clarification Dr Seow

Yes. I shall use the pointer cautiously

[gkbaliga]

Ha ha... Yes Dr. Seow.

This Taxonomy thing is both a challenge as well as fun. I just watch these things without really getting deep into it since I am a hobbyist.

Keeps changing and always fraught with controversies.

I had heard about the earlier proposed change about Psuedoborbo, but was not aware of the latest DNA study reports. Not aware of the Polytremis also.

Some people maintain that the charaxes issue is not yet settled to satisfactory level and continue with Polyura.

Thanks for all the discussion anyways.

[atronox]

Some other taxa with uncertain status:

-Spidasis/Cigaritis- generally regarded as distinct

-Deudorix/Virachola- one of them lacks secondary sexual characters and because of this most taxonomists agree to keep them separate. Those that disagree sink Virachola as a subgenus

-Zeltus/Hypolycaena- Hypolycaena comprises a very heterogeneous lot of spp and some taxonomists prefer to split the African and Indo-Australian spp. Z. amasa is actually closer to the African spp. It's well-known that the early stages of spp. like erylus and phorbas are quite different from the rest of the monocot-feeding spp. and for that there have been proposals to split these few from the rest

-Arhopala abseus- apparently this is now in Flos, which is not very surprising

[gkbaliga]

One doubt Dr. Seow

Many people consider this as one of the id pointers for B.bevani. Do you think it is valid?

spot 3 in UPF to be more nearer to spot 2 than to spot 4.

In other words distance between spot 3 & 4 is more than that between 2 & 3

[Psyche]

One doubt Dr. Seow

Many people consider this as one of the id pointers for B.bevani. Do you think it is valid?

spot 3 in UPF to be more nearer to spot 2 than to spot 4.

In other words distance between spot 3 & 4 is more than that between 2 & 3

The statement is true & valid but caution in interpreting a field shot.

In P. bevani ,spot 3 is distinctly nearer spot 2 than spot 4 (Note spot 4 sometimes may be absent.)
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93070001.html

In B. cinnara FW spot 3 is only a little bit nearer spot 2 than spot 4, & may be appeared almost equidistant from both.
http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93060001.html


TL Seow: Cheers.

[gkbaliga]

Greetings from South India Dr. Seow

Our friend from Bhutan seeks help for identifying few Butterfly specimens shot in and around Bhutan.
Most grateful if you could help.

1. Which Potanthus could this be. This and the next photo are of the same specimen.

Potanthus 1 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


Potanthus 1a by GKBaliga, on Flickr


2. Which Satyr could this be. Not sure if both the images are of the same individual. Elevation around 2,500 to 3,000 meters.
(Could it be Aulocera brahminus Blanchard, 1853 Narrow-banded Satyr ) ?

Satyr by GKBaliga, on Flickr

Satyr (2) by GKBaliga, on Flickr


3. Could this be Taractrocera maevius Common Grass Dart? Elevation around 300 mts.
Tshultrim by GKBaliga, on Flickr


4. Which Tarucus could this be? Elevation around 300 mts.
Tarucus sp by GKBaliga, on Flickr

[gkbaliga]

Hi Dr. Seow and Aaron Soh.... Tshulthrim Drukpa Wangyel from Bhutan, the original photographer of these specimens joins me in thanking you people for the good discussion and information given to us.

Cheers

[gkbaliga]

Nice observation Aaron Soh and Dr. Seow.

There are two tricky specimens (Photos shot by Tshulthrim Drukpa Wangyel) here Dr. Seow. Most likely these are relatively recently listed species.

There is a catalogue published by Ugyen Wangchuck Insttute for Conservaton and Environment, Bhutan which I have uploaded on my google drive

Here is the link. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1MN...A6Y_R1HotG9XGQ


The fist one is listed as Esakiozephyrus camurius (Murayama, 1986) in the catalogue.

When Tshulthrim Drukpa Wangyel had asked someone to help him in identifying the second specimen, he was told that it is Esakiozerphyrus camurius

Both me and Tshulthrim are confused. Both of them could be the same species and it looks as if they are added to check lists recently.

Are both specimen the same species? Any idea on the status of the species Dr. Seow?


Esakiozerphyrus camurius by GKBaliga, on Flickr


Fujiokaozephyrus camrius by GKBaliga, on Flickr