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    Probably you missed this Dr Seow?
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    The Parnaras are very confusing in fieldshots.

    IT is necessary to refer to specimens that are IDed properly.
    All species have forms in which the HW spots are reduced & rounded.

    From the Yutaka site it can be seen that in P. bada spot 3 is rounded or nearly so & is placed midway between spot 2 & 4.
    In both P. ganga & apostata spot 3 is elongate & placed closer to spot 2.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93040001.html
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93020001.html
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93050001.html

    P. ganga : Spots yellowish ;FW spot 2 elongate (blunt arrowhead) & closer to spot 2 ; HW spots wider (rectangular) close ;HW spot 6 may be present ;FW lower cellspot sometimes present.
    Examples showing UP/UN.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai387.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai390.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai398.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai395.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_aj189.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_aj190.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7e5d6e2c-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7b55a2e0-1.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c08d44f6-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c08d44f6-2.jpg

    Form with two cellspots.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7c7ba7bd-1.jpg


    This is by far the commonest species in India but has largely been identified as Parnara bada.
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    Parnara bada:: Spots yellowish; FW spot 3 rounded or nearly so & midway between spot 2 & 4; HW spots small rounded separate, . FW rarely with an upper celspot.

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ea3aca4e-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...01e84a6a-1.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d90b8e97-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d90b8e97-3.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...450758f3-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...450758f3-1.jpg


    Parnara bada appear to be rather rare compared to P. ganga.

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    Parnara apostata: Spots whitish; Upperside very dark ; FW without cellspot; FW spot 3 elongate as in P. ganga; HW spots in a stepladder arrangement but can be irregular;HW spot 6 may be present, brownish & obscure.

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7db90205e8.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7db9fa9e77.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7db99e4c59.jpg


    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...bcdad495-1.jpg


    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...51b83382-1.jpg


    Only in the NE regions.
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    Parnara guttata: Spots whitish ; Male with 2 cellspots, female with one upper cellspot ; HW spots usually large & in a stepladder arrangement; HW without spot 6.

    Male.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...21f48ec0-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...21f48ec0-2.jpg

    Female.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...6138d73c-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...6138d73c-2.jpg


    Only in the extreme north.
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    Post 54.

    001 & 003.
    Should be P. bada.
    Although FW spot 3 appear as a blunt arrowhead ,some examples may have this (See Yutaka P. bada female, Chiang Mai).
    The spot 3 is placed equal distance from spot 2 & 4.
    The UnH spots are all small & rounded.

    005.
    Probably P. ganga; UnH spots are placed close together.

    007;
    Probably P. bada.
    FW spot 3 midway between spot 2 & 4 ;HW with spot 6 .

    002 & 006.
    This Ampittia dioscorides.


    007.
    Potanthus pseudomaesa male.
    FW spots 4 & 5 with small overlap with spot 3 & almost none with spot 6; HW band lightly crossed by dark veins.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92740010.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...otra_ak402.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-3.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-4.jpg


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS. Evans' key differ from the key of Chiba & Eliot particularly with regards to HW spot 6 in Parnara ganga.
    Evans state HW spot 6 is rarely present in P. ganga.
    Chia & Eliot state HW spot 6 is absent.
    Their keys are consistent in stating P. bada have small separate spots.

    Yutaka shows the two male P. ganga with HW spot 6.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93050001.html

    There are many examples where the upperside is P. ganga but the UnH have a large spot 6, apart from spots 2-5 being largish for P. bada.
    eg, same female.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai387.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai390.jpg


    PS. 2 .Typical undoubted Parnara ganga in SE. Asia. These examples match those in the reference books.
    Note 1. FW spot 3 very close to spot 2; 2. HW spots rectangular & close together; 3. No HW spot 6.
    Langkawi , P. Malaysia.
    http://www.samuibutterflies.com/expe...e/panaraganga/
    Vietnam.
    http://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.c...tal-swift.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 12-Dec-2019 at 03:16 AM. Reason: PS

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    Thank you so much Dr Seow

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