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    Greetings from South India Dr. Seow

    Our friend from Bhutan needs help in identifying the following specimens.
    All shot in Bhutan


    1 a and 1 b both images of the same specimen shot at 1200 mts elevation. Could this be Pelopidas Agna
    1. a.
    Skipper1 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    1, b.

    Skipper2 by GKBaliga, on Flickr




    Both 2.a and 2. b are of the same specimen. Could this be Borbo cinnara? Thorax greenish

    2. a.
    Skipper4 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    2. b.
    Skipper3 by GKBaliga, on Flickr



    Both 3. a. and 3. b. are of the same specimen. Could this be Pelopidas agna?

    3.a.

    Skipper5 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    3.b.
    Skipper6 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
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    1. Pelopidas agna.
    FW spots 2 & 3 are not very narrow here.

    2. Borbo cinnara.
    UNh spots are fairly typical with the main three spots 2, 3, & 6.
    2nd pic shows a spot in space 1b.


    3. Pelopidas agna.
    This is a more typical male with narrow spots 2 & 3.



    TL Seow: CHeers.

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    Thank you so much Dr Seow
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    Greetings from South India Dr. Seow

    Our friend from Bhutan seeks your help in identifying these following butterflies. All shot in Bhutan.

    01. Would this be a Parnara bada or apostata? (He remembers as all 4 are of the same specimen)

    001 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    003 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    005 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    007 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    02. Which Potanthus would this be? (He believes that all 3 are of the same specimen)

    002 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    006 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    004 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
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    Probably you missed this Dr Seow?
    Regards gkbaliga

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    The Parnaras are very confusing in fieldshots.

    IT is necessary to refer to specimens that are IDed properly.
    All species have forms in which the HW spots are reduced & rounded.

    From the Yutaka site it can be seen that in P. bada spot 3 is rounded or nearly so & is placed midway between spot 2 & 4.
    In both P. ganga & apostata spot 3 is elongate & placed closer to spot 2.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93040001.html
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93020001.html
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93050001.html

    P. ganga : Spots yellowish ;FW spot 2 elongate (blunt arrowhead) & closer to spot 2 ; HW spots wider (rectangular) close ;HW spot 6 may be present ;FW lower cellspot sometimes present.
    Examples showing UP/UN.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai387.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai390.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai398.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai395.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_aj189.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_aj190.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7e5d6e2c-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7b55a2e0-1.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c08d44f6-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...c08d44f6-2.jpg

    Form with two cellspots.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7c7ba7bd-1.jpg


    This is by far the commonest species in India but has largely been identified as Parnara bada.
    Last edited by Psyche; 11-Dec-2019 at 11:23 PM.

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    Parnara bada:: Spots yellowish; FW spot 3 rounded or nearly so & midway between spot 2 & 4; HW spots small rounded separate, . FW rarely with an upper celspot.

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ea3aca4e-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...01e84a6a-1.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d90b8e97-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...d90b8e97-3.jpg

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...450758f3-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...450758f3-1.jpg


    Parnara bada appear to be rather rare compared to P. ganga.

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    Parnara apostata: Spots whitish; Upperside very dark ; FW without cellspot; FW spot 3 elongate as in P. ganga; HW spots in a stepladder arrangement but can be irregular;HW spot 6 may be present, brownish & obscure.

    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7db90205e8.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7db9fa9e77.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...7db99e4c59.jpg


    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...bcdad495-1.jpg


    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...51b83382-1.jpg


    Only in the NE regions.
    Last edited by Psyche; 11-Dec-2019 at 11:40 PM.

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    Parnara guttata: Spots whitish ; Male with 2 cellspots, female with one upper cellspot ; HW spots usually large & in a stepladder arrangement; HW without spot 6.

    Male.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...21f48ec0-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...21f48ec0-2.jpg

    Female.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...6138d73c-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...6138d73c-2.jpg


    Only in the extreme north.
    Last edited by Psyche; 11-Dec-2019 at 08:10 PM.

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    Post 54.

    001 & 003.
    Should be P. bada.
    Although FW spot 3 appear as a blunt arrowhead ,some examples may have this (See Yutaka P. bada female, Chiang Mai).
    The spot 3 is placed equal distance from spot 2 & 4.
    The UnH spots are all small & rounded.

    005.
    Probably P. ganga; UnH spots are placed close together.

    007;
    Probably P. bada.
    FW spot 3 midway between spot 2 & 4 ;HW with spot 6 .

    002 & 006.
    This Ampittia dioscorides.


    007.
    Potanthus pseudomaesa male.
    FW spots 4 & 5 with small overlap with spot 3 & almost none with spot 6; HW band lightly crossed by dark veins.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/92740010.html
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...otra_ak402.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-3.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...1a69905b-4.jpg


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS. Evans' key differ from the key of Chiba & Eliot particularly with regards to HW spot 6 in Parnara ganga.
    Evans state HW spot 6 is rarely present in P. ganga.
    Chia & Eliot state HW spot 6 is absent.
    Their keys are consistent in stating P. bada have small separate spots.

    Yutaka shows the two male P. ganga with HW spot 6.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93050001.html

    There are many examples where the upperside is P. ganga but the UnH have a large spot 6, apart from spots 2-5 being largish for P. bada.
    eg, same female.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai387.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...gale_ai390.jpg


    PS. 2 .Typical undoubted Parnara ganga in SE. Asia. These examples match those in the reference books.
    Note 1. FW spot 3 very close to spot 2; 2. HW spots rectangular & close together; 3. No HW spot 6.
    Langkawi , P. Malaysia.
    http://www.samuibutterflies.com/expe...e/panaraganga/
    Vietnam.
    http://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.c...tal-swift.html
    Last edited by Psyche; 12-Dec-2019 at 03:16 AM. Reason: PS

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