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    ID Correction

    5 is likely to be dsf Onryza maga . It is the most northerly species & Bhutan is next door to China.
    The 3 large subapical spots also resembles it closely.
    THe other two have a different look.

    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Onryza-siamica
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/Butt...ryza-meiktila/

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    Rapala scintilla!! Your images show Dr Seow's description of "blue-shot hindwings and steely blue forewings" very beautifully. From photographs of the set specimens it is impossible to see these subtleties in colouration.

    While it is clear that the uppersides of these male Rapala are vital for identifying them, I was wondering... what if we're dealing with females? Many of them are a featureless brown above. (Or, are there differences that I'm simply overlooking?)
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    Thank you Dr Seow

    Is there any species with the name Fujiokaozephyrus camrius?
    If yes, is it synonymous with E. camrius?
    Any info available on it?



    Our good old Tshulthrim Drukpa Wangyel gives me three more images from Bhutan with a request to see if they can be identified.

    02 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    02a by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    01 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
    Regards gkbaliga

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    [QUOTE=gkbaliga;132826]Thank you Dr Seow

    Is there any species with the name Fujiokaozephyrus camrius?
    If yes, is it synonymous with E. camrius?
    Any info available on it?

    As long as the species name camurius is the same it is the same butterfly.

    Murayama first name camurius as Ezakiozephyrus camurius in 1986.
    Fujioka placed camurius as a subspecies of tsangkie in the genus Teratzephyrus ie as T. tsangkie camurius in 1994.
    Huang in 2001 restore camurius as a full species, ie Teratozephyrus camurius.

    Koiwaya in 2007 create Fujiokaozephyrus (in honour of Fujioka) for these two closely related species F. camurius & tsangkie.
    http://ftp.funet.fi/index/Tree_of_li...sakiozephyrus/
    https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fujiokaozephyrus

    1. male Pseudoborbo bevani. This form with small rounded spots is common in the northern areas.
    eg Hong Kong.
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8335/8...1f535518_b.jpg
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8468/8...efa00688_h.jpg

    2. male Pelopidas agna. Note HW with a cellspot . UnH with a uniform brown colour.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yFt6Y2FL2K...A_male_06a.jpg
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5655/...b686905d29.jpg

    P. mathias is often confused. UnH with pale shadings giving it an uneven ground colour.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelo...lopidas_sp.jpg
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...as-mathias.jpg


    3. Borbo cinnara. Generally darker than P. bevani with greenish hairs.
    http://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.c...ice-swift.html


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    Thank you so much Dr. Seow

    Our friend from Bhutan seeks help for another specimen. Both the images below are probably of the same individual according to him.

    Could this be identified?

    02 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    02a by GKBaliga, on Flickr
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    Post 25.

    This would be fairly typical for Pseudoborbo bevani.
    There are a lot of mixed up with the two species , that sometimes it is difficult to tell which is right.

    Pseudoborbo bevani.
    More golden brown ;FW typically one cellspot; spot 2 & 3 more rounded ;spot in space 1b poor or absent.
    UnH with the spots not sharply defined.
    Antennal with more prominent pale area.

    Typical examples.
    Taiwan.
    https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6201...e68afe8c_b.jpg
    https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6198...3c00fcc0_b.jpg
    HK.
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8468/8...efa00688_h.jpg
    Thailand.
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...i-1080x722.jpg
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93070001.html


    Borbo cinnara
    Darker grey brown above.
    FW with 1-2 cellspots, sometimes none. ; spot 2 & 3 irregular, 2 is crescentic; spot 1b is always prominent in both sexes.
    UnH with the spots typically well-defined.
    Antennal pale area obscure or absent.
    India.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ad956.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...rang_aq114.jpg
    Thailand
    https://wingscales.com/content/record/3101-1-7ab39.jpg
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/93060001.html


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    Dear Dr. Seow,

    Only after a year i could manage an open wing la, can this both be Onryza maga as stated in previous comment la.
    https://flic.kr/p/2n9omu1
    https://flic.kr/p/2n9r9rp

    Best regards
    Tshulthrim
    Best Regards

    Tshulthrim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tshulthrim View Post
    Dear Dr. Seow,

    Only after a year i could manage an open wing la, can this both be Onryza maga as stated in previous comment la.
    https://flic.kr/p/2n9omu1
    https://flic.kr/p/2n9r9rp

    Best regards
    Tshulthrim


    I am afraid you can't assumed two images taken 2 years apart be the same species.

    I can't remember what was discussed last but it is best to ignore it since neither one can be Onryza maga.


    https://www.flickr.com/photos/190131...8/51947622825/
    The wingshape isthat of Pedesta. The 3 subapical spots are in a straight line.
    The antenna tip dark orange.
    Probably Pedesta panda.

    The two similar species are much confused.

    P. panda commomner ;FW spot 2 close to cellspot , while spot 3 is far from it.
    UnH more ochreous.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5919ed5f-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5919ed5f-1.jpg

    P. pandita rarer; FW spot 2 & 3 overlapping, & both far from the cellspot.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ekar_aa653.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...2c9089a5-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...2c9089a5-1.jpg


    Onryza has a different wingshape.
    O. maga UnH is marked with black spots ,while O. siamica & meiktila have UnH unmarked ochreous in DSF.
    https://www.semanticscholar.org/pape...514c406f5e5a00
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/42806858264
    O. meiktila.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-meiktila.jpg




    https://www.flickr.com/photos/190131...8/51947078008/
    FW with male brand in space 1b
    FW spot 2 & 3 separated.

    Probably Thoressa fusca.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91245001.html

    Similar.
    T. gupta FW cellspot faint or absent.

    Thoressa aina. HW cilia unmarked.
    https://zsispeciespage.com/Species/t...-nicville-1889

    Pedesta baileyi HW cilia yellow.





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    Thank you so much Dr. Seow once again I thought it was Onryza maga since it was discussed in previous comment la, however thank you once for clearing my doubts and sharing me a key point la.

    Best Regards
    Tshulthrim
    Best Regards

    Tshulthrim

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