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    Default ID for few Butterflies from Bhutan

    I am posting these on behalf of my friend Tshulthrim Drukpa Wangyel on his request. He has shot these butterfly pictures in Bhutan.

    I presume the images numbered 1,2 & 3 are of a single individual.

    6,7 & 8 are of different, but single individual. (He told me so.)


    ID help is appreciated.



    1.
    TS6b by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    2.
    TS6a by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    3.
    Ts6 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    4.
    TS5 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    5.
    TS4 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    6.
    Ts3 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    7.
    TS2 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    8.
    Ts1 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
    Regards gkbaliga

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    1, 2, 3, Baoris chapmani.
    The broad sweeping curved margin FW is that of Baoris.
    B. chapmani have a few FW spots.
    B. unicolor have no FW spot.


    4. Scobura isota. Two HW spots.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...14069513-3.jpg
    S. cephala should be like this.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91670001.html

    5. Probably Onryza maga. Plain Bush Hopper. Both O. meiktila & siamica are too far south. [ Correction as O. siamica removed.]
    Evans described Ampittia maga in which he state the UnH is entirely yellow.
    Range given Central China, Malay Peninsula (error) & a ssp in Formosa(Taiwan).
    This is now known as Onryza maga, the Taiwanese ssp is below.
    http://www.vel.cc/in.asp?i=338

    6, 7, 8, should be Rapala scintilla.
    R. scintilla is the only Rapala species in which the HW is blue shot, the rest being steely blue.
    Others are blueshot on both wings or only steely blue.

    Very rarely shot. Range extend into Nepal.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lyc4/83920001.html
    Peninsular Malaysia.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dCmHFjgixf...0/DSC_0266.JPG

    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS. Evans' article on Hesperiids state Onryza siamica & meiktila dsf have UnH plain ochreous. O. siamica is a more northerly species.
    Last edited by Psyche; 07-Aug-2018 at 10:19 PM.

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    ID Correction

    5 is likely to be dsf Onryza maga . It is the most northerly species & Bhutan is next door to China.
    The 3 large subapical spots also resembles it closely.
    THe other two have a different look.

    https://wingscales.com/Hesperiidae/Onryza-siamica
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/Butt...ryza-meiktila/

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    Rapala scintilla!! Your images show Dr Seow's description of "blue-shot hindwings and steely blue forewings" very beautifully. From photographs of the set specimens it is impossible to see these subtleties in colouration.

    While it is clear that the uppersides of these male Rapala are vital for identifying them, I was wondering... what if we're dealing with females? Many of them are a featureless brown above. (Or, are there differences that I'm simply overlooking?)
    cheers
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    Thank you Dr Seow

    Is there any species with the name Fujiokaozephyrus camrius?
    If yes, is it synonymous with E. camrius?
    Any info available on it?



    Our good old Tshulthrim Drukpa Wangyel gives me three more images from Bhutan with a request to see if they can be identified.

    02 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    02a by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    01 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
    Regards gkbaliga

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    [QUOTE=gkbaliga;132826]Thank you Dr Seow

    Is there any species with the name Fujiokaozephyrus camrius?
    If yes, is it synonymous with E. camrius?
    Any info available on it?

    As long as the species name camurius is the same it is the same butterfly.

    Murayama first name camurius as Ezakiozephyrus camurius in 1986.
    Fujioka placed camurius as a subspecies of tsangkie in the genus Teratzephyrus ie as T. tsangkie camurius in 1994.
    Huang in 2001 restore camurius as a full species, ie Teratozephyrus camurius.

    Koiwaya in 2007 create Fujiokaozephyrus (in honour of Fujioka) for these two closely related species F. camurius & tsangkie.
    http://ftp.funet.fi/index/Tree_of_li...sakiozephyrus/
    https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fujiokaozephyrus

    1. male Pseudoborbo bevani. This form with small rounded spots is common in the northern areas.
    eg Hong Kong.
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8335/8...1f535518_b.jpg
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8468/8...efa00688_h.jpg

    2. male Pelopidas agna. Note HW with a cellspot . UnH with a uniform brown colour.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yFt6Y2FL2K...A_male_06a.jpg
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5655/...b686905d29.jpg

    P. mathias is often confused. UnH with pale shadings giving it an uneven ground colour.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelo...lopidas_sp.jpg
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...as-mathias.jpg


    3. Borbo cinnara. Generally darker than P. bevani with greenish hairs.
    http://butterfliesvietnam.blogspot.c...ice-swift.html


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    Dear Dr. Seow,

    Only after a year i could manage an open wing la, can this both be Onryza maga as stated in previous comment la.
    https://flic.kr/p/2n9omu1
    https://flic.kr/p/2n9r9rp

    Best regards
    Tshulthrim
    Best Regards

    Tshulthrim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tshulthrim View Post
    Dear Dr. Seow,

    Only after a year i could manage an open wing la, can this both be Onryza maga as stated in previous comment la.
    https://flic.kr/p/2n9omu1
    https://flic.kr/p/2n9r9rp

    Best regards
    Tshulthrim


    I am afraid you can't assumed two images taken 2 years apart be the same species.

    I can't remember what was discussed last but it is best to ignore it since neither one can be Onryza maga.


    https://www.flickr.com/photos/190131...8/51947622825/
    The wingshape isthat of Pedesta. The 3 subapical spots are in a straight line.
    The antenna tip dark orange.
    Probably Pedesta panda.

    The two similar species are much confused.

    P. panda commomner ;FW spot 2 close to cellspot , while spot 3 is far from it.
    UnH more ochreous.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5919ed5f-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...5919ed5f-1.jpg

    P. pandita rarer; FW spot 2 & 3 overlapping, & both far from the cellspot.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...ekar_aa653.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...2c9089a5-2.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...2c9089a5-1.jpg


    Onryza has a different wingshape.
    O. maga UnH is marked with black spots ,while O. siamica & meiktila have UnH unmarked ochreous in DSF.
    https://www.semanticscholar.org/pape...514c406f5e5a00
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/angiud/42806858264
    O. meiktila.
    https://thaibutterflies.com/wp-conte...a-meiktila.jpg




    https://www.flickr.com/photos/190131...8/51947078008/
    FW with male brand in space 1b
    FW spot 2 & 3 separated.

    Probably Thoressa fusca.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/hes/91245001.html

    Similar.
    T. gupta FW cellspot faint or absent.

    Thoressa aina. HW cilia unmarked.
    https://zsispeciespage.com/Species/t...-nicville-1889

    Pedesta baileyi HW cilia yellow.





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    Thank you so much Dr. Seow once again I thought it was Onryza maga since it was discussed in previous comment la, however thank you once for clearing my doubts and sharing me a key point la.

    Best Regards
    Tshulthrim
    Best Regards

    Tshulthrim

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    Thank you very much on behalf of Tshulthrim Drukpa Wangyel and myself Dr. Seow.

    These are some species which are difficult to identify by most common people like us.

    Your observation and questions raise interest and curiosity in the images eh Jonathan. Happy Butterflying.
    Regards gkbaliga

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