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    I was just telling Aaron about how none of my shots of Mycalesis have turned out to be Mycalesis visala... Though I'm certain I've photographed it before.

    *Aaron, you also told me that I'd know it when I see it. I believe this recent shot may be it.

    ID as Mycalesis visala phamis
    Last edited by Banded Yeoman; 11-Jul-2019 at 07:24 PM.
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    In Singapore this has largely been left as M. visala ,but it has an intermediate look, suggesting a hybrid element.
    It will nice to check the upperside to ascertain its proper ID.

    True M. visala have the HW inner margins of the ocelli form a more regular indentation; the dark line less spiky.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i4MxrattNb...lt_Loke_01.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...lson%20Ong.jpg

    M. perseoides have the indentaion formed by the inner margins of the ocelli large & rather irregular; the dark line very spiky; the 'tooth' at the lower end may sometimes be 'flattened'.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...20-%20Khew.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...ederick_01.jpg

    On the upperside FW the ocellus is large & clear.


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    Thanks Dr Seow! I'll be sure to get an upperside shot next time.. For now, I'll leave this is as a typical M. visala.
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    Interesting. Previously i would've thought such individuals with the whitened area between the ocelli and submarginal bands were visala
    Aaron Soh

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    A few Lemon Emigrants that I've shot... what forms are they (and are they all females)?

    1. f-jugurtha


    2. f-crocale


    3. f-crocale
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    POst 35.

    Al females can be recognised by the HW black border & more rounded wingshape.

    A. crocale type ;antennae black above, Underside without silvery spots ringed in red. Cause : larva exposed to > 13 hours day-lenght.

    Male f- alcmeone.
    female f-jugurtha Uppersde white , base yellow, with narrow HW border & a few black submarginal spots.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ac364.jpg
    female f- crocale ; white, base yellow, with broad black border enclosing white spots.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...otra_ai191.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...0c490b10-1.jpg

    B. pomona type. antennae red above; Underside with silvery spots ringed in red/blackish red. Cause :Larva exposed to < 11 hours day-lenght.

    Male f- hilaria.
    female f- pomona Upperside yellow.
    female f- nivescens ;Upperside white.
    female f- catilla; underside with patchy red marks

    These three are females of 1. f-jugurtha. and 2 & 3. f- crocale.
    Note image 2 & 3 have an UnH vague spot in the middle. These may be considered as intermediates.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 24-Sep-2018 at 06:53 AM. Reason: clarification

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    Thanks for the detailed response on the various forms! I've yet to shoot all of them.
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    Here are some recent Arhopala shots that I've taken. Dr Seow, Aaron, I hope your expertise can help in identifying them.

    1) Arhopala pseudomuta (medium size)


    The rest were all observed in the same area. They were so small I didn't even realise they were Arhopala at first! (Just to add, they were all seen in a small forest clearing within a 5 metre radius.)

    2) No idea... size is tiny. ID as Arhopala muta / moorei


    3) Another tiny one... ID as female Arhopala muta


    4) Tiny. Managed to get a few views of this pristine individual - hope the partial upperside and extended forewing are of some use!
    ID as male Arhopala muta




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    #1 Yes, it's pseudomuta. They seem to be in season these past few months. Sometimes they have a pinkish glaze which is a bit confusing but usually the shape of the spots is sufficient to distinguish it from the other rarer species

    #2 Should be A. antimuta. The markings tend to be more indistinct

    #3 and #4 Quite certain these are A. moorei busa. The spots are narrower than in muta. I posted a dorsal shot of a female recently which i think is quite likely moorei as well
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    Yes there were a number of A. pseudomuta-type Arhopala flying that day.

    Regarding no. 2, I was hesitant to place it as A. antimuta due to HW spot 7 being shifted in from spot 6. I believe it is a reliable feature of A. antimuta that spot 7 is aligned directly above spot 6.
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