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    Default Is this Psuedoborbo bevani?

    ID Help appreciated. As I remember, all four photos are of the same individual.
    Shot in our home garden, Mangalore, Coastal part of Karnataka State, South India

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    20170929-IMG_8632 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

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    20170929-IMG_8630 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

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    20170929-IMG_8628 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

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    20170929-IMG_8622 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    Thanks in advance.
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    Yes it6 is a female Pseudoborbo bevani.

    Borbo cinnara.Thorax with greenish hair ;FW spot in space 1b strongly present, spots 2 & 3 irregular with strongly concave margins; UnH with the spots well-defined.
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...oman_an663.jpg

    P. bevani Thorax more brown, FW spot in space 1b absent or vestigial, spot 2 & 3 regular , rounded ; UnH with the spots less defined.UnH spots well-defined.
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8468/8...efa00688_h.jpg
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...0d2810f0-1.jpg

    P. bevani can also present an underside that is very confusingly similar toParnara bada.
    The two can be differentiated thus.

    Borbo/Pseudoborbo : FW subapical spots (ie spots 6 ,7, & 7)arranged in a curve, the lowest ( spot 6) shifted out from the two above it.
    Female . Note FW subapical spots in a curve; large upper cellspot ; Lack of a spot in space 1b ; more gradual, less stubby antenna.
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...6b8c920d-1.jpg
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...6b8c920d-2.jpg
    Male from Thailand.
    http://butterfliesofthailand.blogspo...bo-bevani.html

    Parnara bada: FW subapical spots in a straight line; if only two(spot 6 & 7) are present they are well-aligned; antenna shorter ,thicker club.
    http://dearlep.tw/images/Papilionoid...DSC_1009_1.jpg
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...gale_aj190.jpg


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    Thank you so much for the detailed explanation Dr. Seow
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    Default Another Specimen - same species?

    These photos were taken on a separate day at the same place.
    As far as I can remember all photos are of the same specimen.

    Since this seems to match with the id pointers and description given to the earlier post, I presume this is also of the same species Pseudoborbo bevani Dr Seow?

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    20171003-IMG_8819 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

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    20171003-IMG_8807 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

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    20171003-IMG_8805 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    Thanks in advance
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    Post 4. Female P. bevani.
    After reading Evans there is a lot of variations in both species .
    None of the stated features can be absolute.
    Some revision of the description is necessary.

    Borbo cinnara: UpF typically with a large non-hyaline spot in space 1b; Spots 2 & 3 usually with strongly concave outer margins, variable.
    UnH with the cilia basally dark in male , wholly dark in female.
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...Saji_ad960.jpg
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jMZu5Yy4Yg...ederick_01.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check..._female_01.jpg



    Pseudoborbo bevani.More golden brown; UpF with the spot in space 1b absent or vestigial/tiny ; Spots 2 & 3 often rounded but variable ;nos. of spots may be reduced.
    UnH with the cilia uniformly light in both sexes; male usually have a pale area on the antenna.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/subhajit_pics/7042615117
    https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8244...d4c5c452_b.jpg
    http://www.flutters.org/home/photoga...picture&id=618
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SzW2hylRQR...00/H31-1-1.jpg
    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8195/8...410130f9_h.jpg
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...B_DSC_2966.jpg

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    Hmmm..... the going gets tougher as we move forward eh Dr. Seow !

    Thanks for all the knowledge.
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    Is it possible to id this one Dr. Seow.

    Please bear with my lack of knowledge / experience. There are only two spots on UNH and it looks as if there are spot / spots in cell.
    Looking at the discal spots, it seems to me as not a P. Bevani (But I am not sure)

    Could it be a totally different genus? Looking for guidance.

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    It is still P. bevani.
    There is som smudges but no FW cellspot.
    The UnH of bevani can a varying nos. of spots & sometimes none.
    FW spot 3 is equidistant from spot 2 & 4 ; antenna without a pale area just below the club.

    Compare with Caltoris kumara which always without cellspot. FW spot 3 is nearer spot 2; antenna with a pale area just below the club.
    http://www.flutters.org/home/photoga...rgodbole_1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...be3eeb85-1.jpg

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    Hmm....
    I need to still learn a lot. I will remember to look at the antenna before jumping to any conclusions, one of the basic mistakes I was making.

    Regarding : "FW spot 3 is nearer spot 2", I had the impression that this is one of the characteristics of P. Bevani.
    Now I am learning it is so for Caltoris Kumara.


    Thank you so much Dr. Seow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkbaliga View Post
    Hmm....
    I need to still learn a lot. I will remember to look at the antenna before jumping to any conclusions, one of the basic mistakes I was making.

    Regarding : "FW spot 3 is nearer spot 2", I had the impression that this is one of the characteristics of P. Bevani.
    Now I am learning it is so for Caltoris Kumara.


    Thank you so much Dr. Seow.
    You are quite right here. It should be the other way round. ie in C. kumara, spot 3 is usually more nearly equidistant from spot 2 & 4.
    In P. bevani & B. cinnara spot 3 is a lot nearer spot 4 than spot 2.

    In a top down view especially , the pale area on the antennal shaft may not always be visible.

    Lastly the antennal club in both bevani & cinnara are much thicker.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...6b8c920d-1.jpg
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/me...Saji_ad960.jpg

    Putting it all together an ID correction is necessary.

    This does look good for Caltoris kumara kumara.


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