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    Default ID help appreciated for Hesperiidae - Parnara bada

    Is it possible to id this?

    Shot in Mangalore, Coastal area of Karnataka State, India

    20171008-IMG_9221 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    Thanks in advance
    Last edited by gkbaliga; 19-Jul-2018 at 12:27 AM. Reason: ID updated
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    Parnara bada (with only two spots)
    Antennae short with stubby clubs.
    Examples with reduced nos. of spots not rare.

    Parnara bada usually with 4-5 spots in a line. short antenna. thick club; hindwing sometimes with a cellspot right at the very end(apex).
    Male with HW cellspot.Singapore.
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...jpg?1443780933
    Female India.
    https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/P...W_IMG_9229.jpg
    Female with two spots.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnar...-09-09-001.jpg

    Similar.
    Borbo typically with 3 HW spots in space 2, 3, & 6; additional spots may be present; never less than 3.
    Note spot 6 is always set further in than in Parnara.
    B. cinnara.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KaVjdL_FAM...lt_Khew_01.jpg
    B. bevani.
    http://dearlep.tw/images/Papilionoid...E%E8%8A%B3.jpg
    The female Caltoris kumara usually have one HW spot 2.
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...Saji_ac507.jpg

    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thank you very much Dr Seow

    Two doubts

    1. As I understand it, Parnara bada would have a spot in space 6. Am I right? It's not as much visible in my specimen or is it so faint that inexperienced person like me is not able to make out?

    2. How to distinguish male / female.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Different authors have given keys to ID the Parnara species but are very confusing.
    However, there is only one species in southern India ie P. bada.
    The other three are found to the north & north east.
    I am referring mainly to Evans.

    P. bada; FW typically no cellspot, very rarely an upper cellspot. HW spots variable,yellowish, typically well separated & irregular in alignment ; may have no HW spot.
    HW spot 6 present only in fully spotted forms.
    Pair male on the left.
    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5139/...eb908485ab.jpg
    Male.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...W_IMG_1077.jpg
    Female.
    http://dearlep.tw/species.html?namecode=345485

    Parnara ganga. NE reagions.
    FW may have a lower cellspot; HW spots yellowish , large ,close,slightly irregular, spot 6 absent (almost always).
    Females.
    http://www.flutters.org/home/photoga...isepereira.jpg
    https://wingscales.com/content/record/481-1-0492e.jpg

    Parnara apostata ;Northeast.
    FW without cellspot.
    HW spots white close in a straight line increasing in size downwards.HW spot 6 present.
    Female.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R1LW7DbcOy...0/DSC_0338.JPG
    Male.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/camerar/24127230969

    Parnara guttata. North & northeast.
    FW cellspots two in the male; female lower cellspot usually absent.
    HW spots white in a straight row increasing downwards; HW spot 6 absent.
    Female.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ta_bytreef.jpg
    Male.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnar...ra.guttata.jpg

    2. Male skipper.
    Profile shorter, FW apex more blunt. abdominal end square-cut brush-like.

    Female skipper.
    Proflie elongate ;FW more triangular, apex more pointed; abdominal end a slanting cut, may have a cleft at lower end.

    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thank you so much Dr. Seow for replying with so much patience.

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    Greetings from South India Dr. Seow

    All these images of the same specimen of skipper shot around Western Ghat base, Mangalore, Karnataka, India were shot by my friend Rahul
    Could it be Polytremis lubricans or Baoris farri ? With your previous training, I can make out it is Female
    I am little confused with how to differentiate.


    Skppper by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    Skppper1 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    Skppper2 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    Skppper3 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
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    Female Baoris farri.

    Female wingshape, spot in space 1b; UnH without spots; Shape of FW spots are that of Baoris.
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sYt6GjV-T...s%2Bfarri1.jpg
    https://alchetron.com/cdn/baoris-far...esize-750.jpeg

    Polytremis lubricans ;UnH ochreous brown with a coarse texture, with spots; FW spots distinctly yellow; cellspots often conjoined; spot 2 very large, often oval.
    https://wingscales.com/content/record/501-1-fa9bf.jpg
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ubricans_1.jpg

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    Thank you very much Dr. Seow
    Regards gkbaliga

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    Greetingd Dr. Seow

    All these images are taken from Sammilan Shetty Butterfly Park, Belvai at the base of the Western Ghats in Karnataka State, India

    There are clippings from videos. Is it possible to identify these specimens sir?

    1.01 by GKBaliga, on Flickr


    2. Could this be a Bush Hopper?
    02A by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    3.Could this be a Pygmy Scrub Hopper?
    03 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    4. All the following are of the same specimen
    Could this be Potanthus Psuedomesa?
    04 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    04a by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    04B by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    5. In this Oriens Goloides?
    05 by GKBaliga, on Flickr

    6. 06 by GKBaliga, on Flickr
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    Post 9.

    1. should be Pelopidas mathias.
    The underside is unevenly shaded grey .


    P. thrax has a uniform ground colour; Male has a white brand .?Face & chest whiter.
    http://www.eurobutterflies.com/sp/thrax.php


    2 is Bush Hopper, Ampittia dioscorides.

    3. is Pygmy Scrub Hopper.
    The cilia is uniform grey.
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...achus-pygmaeus

    In A jhora the cilia is chequered (Checkered).
    https://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp...romachus-jhora

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