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    Dear Dr Seow, please help with the following IDs, thanks!

    (1) Rapala?



    (2) Green Imperial (Manto hypoleuca terana)
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    The Rapala is R. varuna- the post-discals are broader than in manea and scintilla
    Aaron Soh

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    I think it is more likely to be a female Rapala scintilla.

    R. scintilla & varuna are very similar. Bands are relatively broad & on the HW the postdiscal band & cellend bar are very close.
    The underside of R. scintilla is grey brown with a greenish tinge.
    The part of the band in space 1b (beside the grey-green patch) is usually somewhat straight as in manea but may varies. Note on L side it is straight, & on R side it forms an arch.
    The flattened black spot is not an ID mark as it varies.

    R. varuna female ; Underside is strongly purple washed.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZmTmOJhE83...ndigoFlash.jpg

    R. scintilla females.
    Malaya.
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...a-1080x675.jpg
    Thailand.
    http://www.phuketnaturetours.com/Pag...0%20-%20Phuket
    Borneo.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...72_473_AC1.jpg


    Others.
    Rapala rhodopsis.Un copper brown ;band narrow/one side white edged; black spot may be flattened.
    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UI_BkKM6Y...016%2B17mm.JPG
    Rapala hades. Un brown ;HW band & cellend bar far apart; black spot may be flattened.
    https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/R...eville1895.JPG

    I suspect this species in the past with one of Federick's shot Toa Payoh, 2004.
    The dark blue-marked upperside often suggest R. manea.
    http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/...LmpwZw==/?ref=


    2. Manto hypoleuca.
    The V mark in M. hypoleuca is very close to the adjacent black streaks on both side.
    In Mantoides gama it is well separated.
    M. gama.
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...oides-gama.jpg
    http://v3.boldsystems.org/pics/KHCBT...1323323946.JPG
    http://i57.tinypic.com/osa5nr.jpg

    TL Seow: Cheers,
    PS. Females of R. manea & one male Singapore for comparison.
    THe HW band & cellend bar are well separated.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-enC5GgBMeV...ash-ChngCK.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...20-%20Khew.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...James-chia.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q3cFJczGJn...ba)+female.jpg
    http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/8...9562574d_c.jpg
    Male
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--_OcJrIvZG...ea_chozeba.png

    A puzzling male. This has the appearance of R. scintilla male.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...0Ben%20Jin.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 12-Jun-2018 at 10:40 PM. Reason: PS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyche View Post
    The part of the band in space 1b (beside the grey-green patch) is usually somewhat straight as in manea but may varies.
    It's this character that made me sure it wasn't scintilla. This portion in manea and scintilla are more or less straight and following the same orientation as the rest of the band above it whereas in varuna the same portion is arched
    Aaron Soh

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    Quote Originally Posted by atronox View Post
    It's this character that made me sure it wasn't scintilla. This portion in manea and scintilla are more or less straight and following the same orientation as the rest of the band above it whereas in varuna the same portion is arched
    Quite rightly so.
    However some variation always occur.
    The other factors are R. varuna is rather dark on the underside, & the HW band & cellend bar are so close they usually touch.
    http://nlliew66butterflies.blogspot....na-orseis.html

    The Bornean book on Lycaenids also give a good match, Page 67/74, L355.
    http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/jamid.../borneo-e.html

    It also give a good match to this male labelled as R. dieneces in the past.
    The FW band has a distinct bent, & the ground colour is olive brown which has a hint of green.
    This just would not match any of the known males in Singapore.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...0Ben%20Jin.jpg


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS. There are examples of R. varuna from other areas in which the underside is pale eg. India ( HW band & cellend bar touching)..
    The ID of R. scintilla may be a bit premature without further observations.
    You could still be right . It may turn to be a form of R. varuna.
    Last edited by Psyche; 13-Jun-2018 at 08:06 PM. Reason: PS

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    Maybe an unusually pale female? Too bad we don't know the extent of variation of these spp.
    Aaron Soh

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