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    Dr Seow, which Ypthima species is this?

    Judging by the upperside, I'm guessing it's a female. The ocellus 5 is slightly larger than ocellus 6, a feature of Y. baldus. Yet, the ocelli are discontiguous. I still lean towards Y. horsfieldii though.



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    Yes it is Ypthimas horsfieldii humei.

    The female have a stronger whitish distal half which contrast more with the darker basal half.

    Because of different opinions the population across the border in Thailand is known as Y. nebulosa.
    Eliot deem the true nebulosa to be confined to Sumatra.

    Y. horsfieldii humei
    Underside ground colour whiter with the striae more contrasted.
    HW spots 2 & 3 mainly separate , spots 5 & 6 subequal ie spot 6 may be smaller, larger or equal to spot 5.
    HW spot 2 & 3 more aligned with the double spots in space 1b. Spots 2 & 3 are also parallel to spots 5 & 6.
    Aoki & Uemura shows nebulosa wsf with HW spots 2 & 3 large & conjoined. This is also seen in ssp horsfieldii from Java. Dsf have small spots.
    Aoki & Uemura also indicate in nebulosa the UpF yellow ring is round. This does not seem to hold true.
    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Osc2jvSoO...0/DSC_0144.JPG
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...r_Federick.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XUtnXSxzY5...ing-BobbyM.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yfunVADQj6...ldii+humei.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VSuUr0-sx_...0/DSC_0140.JPG


    Ypthima baldus newboldi.
    Underside ground colour pale buff with the striations less contrasted.
    UnH spots 2 & 3 large & mostly conjoined ; spots 6 almost always smaller than spot 5.
    HW spots 2 & 3 less aligned with the double spots in space 1b & is also set at angle to spots 5 & 6.

    There are forms, dsf & intermediates in which HW spots 2 & 3 are small and separated.
    Aoki & Uemura indicate the UpF yellow ring is oval in baldus; again not reliable.
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DN5O-c2TqL...Anthony_01.jpg
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-H6ohrwJ_Pw...R_adult_01.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...r_Bobby_02.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9bAlU1vpzm...perside_02.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JQHf0Z4DPh...perside_01.jpg

    Ypthima horsfieldii horsfieldii from Bali.
    https://birdingindonesia1.files.word...rfly-bali1.jpg

    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Thanks Dr Seow for the information! It's much appreciated.
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    An example of Y. horsfieldii humei with HW spot 2 & 3 large & conjoined. Singapore.
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...jpg?1526142794

    In Y. baldus newboldi HW spot 6 is almost always smaller than spot 5.
    There are occasional examples where they are almost equal especially in dsf, but none has spot 6 much larger than spot 5 as this individual.


    TL Seow: Cheers.
    PS. A 2nd Singapore example with large HW spots 2 & 3, that looks to be Y. horsfieldii
    https://static.inaturalist.org/photo...jpg?1526140408

    PS2. This should be a better guide in case of doubt.

    Ypthima baldus newboldi ; A line through the centres of HW spots 2 & 3 misses the spots in space 1b.

    Ypthima horsfieldii humei : A line through the centres of HW spots 2 & 3 cut one of the spot in space 1b.

    PS3. Although this shot is labelled as Y. baldus, the alignment of the HW spots indicate it is Y. horsfieldii. A line thru spots 2 & 3 cut one of the spot in space 1b.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pGbWG_SUEv...-Five-Ring.jpg

    Compare this shot of Y. baldus .Although the ground colour is rather white , a line thru spots 2 & 3 misses the spots in space 1b. Spots 2 & 3 are also at an angle to spots 5 & 6 (ie not parallel.).
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...t01_female.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 14-May-2018 at 12:33 PM. Reason: PS3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyche View Post
    Ypthima baldus newboldi ; A line through the centres of HW spots 2 & 3 misses the spots in space 1b.

    Ypthima horsfieldii humei : A line through the centres of HW spots 2 & 3 cut one of the spot in space 1b.

    PS3. Although this shot is labelled as Y. baldus, the alignment of the HW spots indicate it is Y. horsfieldii. A line thru spots 2 & 3 cut one of the spot in space 1b.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pGbWG_SUEv...-Five-Ring.jpg

    Compare this shot of Y. baldus .Although the ground colour is rather white , a line thru spots 2 & 3 misses the spots in space 1b. Spots 2 & 3 are also at an angle to spots 5 & 6 (ie not parallel.).
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...t01_female.jpg

    Dr Seow, thanks for the guide! This definitely clears things up with regards to their differences, especially since many of the characteristics are variable in each species.
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    Jonathan
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