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    Default Pantoporia sandaka sandaka?

    Based on previous discussions, i believe this is P. sandaka rather than hordonia.

    In addition to the distinguishing traits already mentioned before, i also notice that the orange discal band on the forewing and at the apical area of the forewing are more "neatly bordered" and appear more regularly-shaped in sandaka but i don't think this is a very constant feature.

    Taken in USR

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    This is a typical Pantoporia sandaka sandaka male.
    FW grey band is constricted into a series of beads.
    The FW is raised high enough to show a white line denoting the margin of the HW white speculum.

    The two species have been a source of great confusion through their ranges.

    The typical male P. hordonia have a wider grey band & the HW speculum is grey & small.
    Cambodoa.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qBpElQKbmz...%25BC%2591.jpg
    Malaya.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6TIVtGI_ok...0/DSC_0229.JPG
    http://www.learnaboutbutterflies.com...nia%20001a.jpg
    Singapore.
    http://www.samuibutterflies.com/02_i...iadindinga.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oiSX3-kyPR...ascar-KSK4.jpg
    Example approaching P. sandaka Thailand.
    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P...mphalidae..JPG


    P. sandaka ;FW grey band much narrowed or constricted/broken into beads.
    Malaya.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-c8rXTibfeq...0/DSC_0137.JPG
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N4hHveKQt1...0/DSC_0131.JPG
    Singapore .Note white highlight on HW.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-76dEIhRQ1Y...mon+Lascar.jpg


    The females of the two are very similar & confusing here.
    Horace raised a batch in which the male can be identified by the HW white speculum as P. sandaka but the female appeared like the male P. hordonia.

    Females. The FW is raised high enough to ID the sex & very short foot of FW postdiscal band.
    P. sandaka. FW grey band beaded.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...erick%20Ho.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...6_puddling.jpg

    Uncertain females.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...L_adult_04.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0EK80AsaR7...Lascar@MNT.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0EK80AsaR7...a-hordonia.jpg

    Examples females P. hordonia
    Indonesia.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ELNd5T1m_G...IMG_7404e1.JPG
    https://storage.googleapis.com/indon...ordonia-00.jpg
    India.
    https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5546/1...36d38acb_b.jpg

    Female P. sandaka India.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ravoor_(3).jpg
    https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6113/...6e95b2f1_b.jpg

    All five Pantoporia are recorded from Singapore in the past.

    This one which I ID'ed as P. dindinga & later rejected looks good to be it.
    It is a female & the two marginal bands are greyish & diffrent from P. paraka.
    https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...43f326860e.jpg
    https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantop...diga_303_2.jpg
    P. paraka.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...20-%20Bene.jpg
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0EK80AsaR7...ascar%2529.jpg

    P. aurelia could be mistaken for the common Lasippa tiga.
    Thailand.
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...1-1080x675.jpg

    TL Seow: Cheers.
    https://www.thaibutterflies.com/wp-c...1-1080x675.jpg
    Last edited by Psyche; 15-Feb-2018 at 10:15 AM.

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    Thank you so much for all the links for comparison.

    Yes, the speculum and the width of the grey submarginal band were the main things which made me think it was sandaka. I have seen hordonia before but this is the first time i've seen sandaka. Thx Dr Seow!

    The P. dindinga looks very promising
    Aaron Soh

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