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    Default Differentiation of Neptis clinia and Neptis nata

    Reviewing Neptis photos I think I may have some N. clinia and N. nata confused. Though looking at other images there is a lot of variation and seems difficult to find a reliable feature on which to separate them. Below are three sets of upper and lower side images of three individuals which I have tentatively identified. Comments on the ID and how to differentiate them appreciated please.

    Image 1 and 2 - Clear Sailor N. clinia from west Thailand.
    Image 3 and 4 - Neptis nata from southeast Thailand.
    Image 5 and 6 - Neptic nata from northern central Thailand.

    Image 1. N. clinia
    b2625 Clear Sailor (Neptis clinia susruta) - Khao Laem 01.JPG

    Image 2. N. clinia
    b2625 Clear Sailor (Neptis clinia susruta) - Khao Laem 02.JPG

    Image 3. N. nata
    b2665 Sullied Brown Sailor (Neptis nata adipala) - Khao Soi Dao 01.JPG

    Image 4. N. nata
    b2665 Sullied Brown Sailor (Neptis nata adipala) - Khao Soi Dao 02.JPG

    Image 5. N. nata
    b2665 Sullied Brown Sailor (Neptis nata adipala) - Tat Mok 01.JPG

    Image 6. N. nata
    b2665 Sullied Brown Sailor (Neptis nata adipala) - Tat Mok 02.JPG

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    They are all Neptis nata.
    Undersides are difficult to separate.


    Neptis clinia.
    1 FW cell bar & cellend triangular spot close, the gap often with some pale shading.
    2. HW lower margin of discal band almost always with a small triangular white patch (forming part of band) at the base of space 3.
    3. Submarginal spots generally less complete & usually fall short of reaching the FW costa.
    http://m4.i.pbase.com/u46/mr_t/uploa...p_DSCF1607.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ut89fmb0uH...ia-susruta.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CxljvucrPK...ar+Sailor).jpg
    https://wingscales.com/content/record/420-1-d70cf.jpg

    Neptis nata.
    1. FW cell bar & cellend triangular spot well-separated by a wide gap.
    2. HW lower margin of band rarely with a small triangular white spot at the base of space 3.
    3. Submarginal spots more complete & usually reach the FW costa (except extreme forms with reduced markings.)
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pgn6KT5bAP...%2Badipala.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0EK80AsaR7...a+gononata.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Pgn6KT5bAP...%2Badipala.jpg
    https://farm1.staticflickr.com/430/1...61bbfed8_b.jpg

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    Many thanks. I will revisit my photos!

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    There is a mixed-up with the common names which adds to the confusion.

    N. nata is the Clear Sailor/sailer & N. clinia is the Sullied Sailor/Sailer.
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...doth_af110.jpg
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...13aaf858-1.jpg

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    Thanks. Yes I'd noticed this across the web. Have to work with the scientific names for clarity.

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