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    Default Please help ID

    1. Oriens gola?
    CommonDarlet Open.jpg

    2. Taractrocera archias? (Same specimen)
    Taractrocera.jpg
    YellowGrassDart Open.jpg

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    !. Oriens gola is right.

    2. Taractrocera archias.
    The two can not be the same individual.

    1 Female . note cleft abdominal end.
    Example
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JnhseBXsVz...ias-quinta.jpg

    Male .abdominal end a brush.
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...mes%20Chia.jpg

    2. Male upperside. Note broad bands which are conjoined.

    The female have the FW bands separated.
    Female Sarawak .
    http://www.rydzi.cz/brouci/malajsie/...ias_quinta.jpg

    TL Seow:Cheers.

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    Thank you, Dr Seow.

    No 2 was shot on the same day 2014 and I have not look at them since as I had IDed them (wrongly) as O.gola.

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    Is this a Caltoris Malaya? This is the only shot I can get.
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    Cephrenes acalle?
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    Female Iambrix salsala. Note different antenna shape & palpi 3rd segment , black & narrow in front of head.

    Post 5.
    Male Cephrenes trichopepla.Note orange & white abdominal stripes & HW band black edgings different.

    TL Seow: Cheers.

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    Is this Hypolimnas bolina jacintha or Hypolimnas bolina bolina. The upper hindwing submarginal band looks like a bolina but the white discal patch looks like that of the the female f-incommoda Jacintha. Helping a friend who shot this in Singapore.
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    It is Hypolimnas bolina bolina.

    The two subspecies usually have their own localised colonies , though they will be mixing from time to time.
    In the far future the population may become more homogeneous in Singapore.

    Female ssp. bolina. FW with a white cross band. HW with a discal patch often white.
    HW submarginal spots small , may be obscure or obsolete.
    http://www.butterflycircle.org/nymph...ex-bolinaf.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...ng%20Pheng.jpg
    Ssp. bolina from Java.
    http://lh4.ggpht.com/8g0ufr68d50Mw71...FaMLOZ1CJ=s580

    Ssp. jacintha. FW without a white cross band; HW without a discal patch.
    HW submarginal spots very large & prominent.
    https://wanderingbutterflyeffect.fil...eat-eggfly.jpg
    http://www.butterflycircle.org/nymph...-jacinthaf.jpg

    Crosses occur & would be very varied depending on the numbers of back-crosses,etc.
    An example showing perfect intermediate appearance.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yzw2AzY2du...3-Federick.jpg

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    Thank you, Dr Seow.

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    I forgot you mentioned f-incommoda which is supposed to be a rare variant of ssp jacintha.
    This has a bluish white FW cross band & a sullied bluish white HW patch. The HW submarginal spots are large as usual.

    Most female jacintha has no or obscure FW cross band & the HW discal patch is very rarely seen.
    In India where there is only ssp jacintha .
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/sp/...olimnas-bolina

    Upper 3 are jacintha & lower 4 ssp bolina probably . Location unknown.
    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&iact=c&ictx=1

    The example below mentioned as a perfect intermediate may be a variant of ssp jacintha. f-incommoda.
    This gets very complicated, as it is difficult to determine the degree of crossing.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yzw2AzY2du...3-Federick.jpg

    Other forms which may be considered variants of f-incommoda.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yzw2AzY2du...4-Federick.jpg
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yzw2AzY2du...00-h/Combo.jpg

    There is is an image of f-incommoda in C&P3, the older edition.
    The FW cross band is bluish white & the HW patch is very narrow, sullied & bluish.

    TL Seow : Cheers.
    PS. As can be seen from the Indian website f-incommoda is unknown in India although the ssp is jacintha., & ssp bolina is absent.
    The type specimen of incommoda was described by Butler from Malacca.
    It is possible that f-incomoda is a hybrid of the two subspecies, jacintha & bolina.
    It is classed as jacintha because it has large HW maginal & submarginal spots as in typical jacintha female.

    Ssp bolina is the insular form ranging from Sundaland to Australia.
    It would be the typical form when Sundaland is separated from the mainland.
    Ssp jacintha moves south after Malaya reconnects with the mainland & becomes the dominant form during colonial times.
    In the Klang valley around KL the female is typical jacintha.
    However, in many parts of p. Malaysia the form is ssp bolina.
    Last edited by Psyche; 30-Jan-2016 at 05:29 PM. Reason: PS

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