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    Photographed in Bandung, W. Java.

    Photographed a week ago. I am not strong on moths, so this took the best part of a day to find.

    The final species ID was found by an expert on the staff of 'Moths of Papua'. Thanks Rob.

    Dave

    Update - identification changed to carea veripes from Noctuoidia, Nolidae, Diehlea Tumida.
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    I think it is possible this is Carea varipes instead.

    The two species look almost identical.
    As explained in the text of Moths of Borneo, the distal margin of the FW in D. tumida is more smoothly rounded, in C. varipes angled.
    The triangular brown patch at the forward margin of the FW is also better developed.
    http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-18...ni/gallery.php

    Carea varipes.
    http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-18...areini_2_1.php
    http://garytsphotos.zenfolio.com/img...62612122-3.jpg
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LYWwU_-eKy...%2Bvaripes.jpg

    Diehlea tumida. Darker.
    http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-18...areini_3_3.php
    http://www.jpmoth.org/~dmoth/Digital..._980103414.jpg
    http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2540/4...5df_z.jpg?zz=1


    TL Seow
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    Very interesting. Yes, I see the difference in the wing trailing edge profile, also the triangular patch. Certainly makes your suggestion of Carea varipes closer than Diehlea Tumida.

    I also notice a circular/radius marking, just forward of the two small spots. This curved marking is present on both species. Before I change the species label, check out this link of Carea simplicilinea, yet another possibility and the first link that I found. Of course there is the minor problem of 3.200Km from its official home. The wing profile matches, the curved marking is absent, but the triangular patch is also absent.

    All three are incredibly close, but the absence of that curved marking I feel is significant. Is there possibly a fourth species, or is the marking just worn away. What do you think?

    Thanks for putting in the time on this one, very much appreciated.

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodkaman View Post
    Very interesting. Yes, I see the difference in the wing trailing edge profile, also the triangular patch. Certainly makes your suggestion of Carea varipes closer than Diehlea Tumida.

    I also notice a circular/radius marking, just forward of the two small spots. This curved marking is present on both species. Before I change the species label, check out this link of Carea simplicilinea, yet another possibility and the first link that I found. Of course there is the minor problem of 3.200Km from its official home. The wing profile matches, the curved marking is absent, but the triangular patch is also absent.

    All three are incredibly close, but the absence of that curved marking I feel is significant. Is there possibly a fourth species, or is the marking just worn away. What do you think?

    Thanks for putting in the time on this one, very much appreciated.

    Dave
    The circular marking you mentioned is the the dark postbasal (after the base) fascia (band).
    This is fairly clear & intact in Diehlea, but incomplete & vague in Carea.

    Carea simplicilinea is out of the picture as its FW is different & it is endemic to Papua.

    The female of a 4th species Diehlea ducalis is very similar.
    Notice the FW postbasal fascia is straight, not curved. It is also endemic to Borneo.
    http://www.mothsofborneo.com/part-18...areini_3_4.php

    It is fairly clear now this should be Carea varipes.

    TL Seow

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    Yes, I will go along with that.

    Many thanks.

    Dave

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    Managed to shoot a different perspective today.

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    agree with Carea varipes
    Roger C. KENDRICK Ph.D.

    C & R Wildlife, Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, N.T., Hong Kong S.A.R.
    HK Moths website: http://www.hkmoths.com
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