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    Thanks so much for the additional comments. I must admit that the PS2 was what I had suspected, but was not confident enough to state so directly.

    Sorry, but now for the Hesperiidae!
    1) A Halpe species. I suspect this is H. pelethronix or H. wantona.

    LBJs (I get so confused by these!):
    2) Could this be Caltoris kumara moorei?
    3) Not sure
    4) Not sure, but at least I have the underside as well for this one!
    5) Not sure
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    Post 11.

    A tough series of pix.

    1. Halpe probably pelethronix.
    Fleming's pix shows pelethronix with poorly defined pale spots on both wings while wantona have much clearer spots.

    2. Caltoris probably kumara is right .
    Male, very stout built,
    Web pix of male kumara lacking except
    http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6158/6...5263a05b_z.jpg
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...6_1_Knight.png

    Two other without cellspots , but male tend to have only one subapical spot.
    http://boldsystems.org/index.php/Tax...e?taxid=386237
    http://boldsystems.org/index.php/Tax...e?taxid=348598

    3. Caltoris cormasa. Two cellspots, the upper one tiny.
    The antenna shows a longer pale area below the club.

    4. Caltoris ? cahira female.
    Two cellspots upper one as large as lower. Underside HW distinctly darker than forewing.

    5. Caltoris likely bromus female..
    Two cellspots, the upper tiny as in cormasa. FW spots 2 & 3 soewhat irregular.
    Underside HW (left side) not deeper coloured or redbrown.
    A C. cormasa female showing FW spotshape & HW underside colour.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-b-kBsIeG7M...altoris-sp.jpg

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    No. is a Baoris female.

    I keep forgetting about Baoris.
    This one is large with more imposing wings ; the antennae are almost wholly dark; FW spot 2 & 3 iregular & crescentic.; 3 subapical spots.
    All these indicating it is Baoris.
    Since the cellspots are not well-developed I'll go with Baoris oceia.

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    Sorry, which one? From your comments, No.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painted Jezebel View Post
    Sorry, which one? From your comments, No.5?
    Oops! Yes it is No. 5.

    eow :Cheers.

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    Post 16.

    The Neptis is N. magadha.
    In particular the the HW basal costal white band is very broad.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720310001.html
    ID Correction. It should be a form of Neptis cartica.
    In N. magadha the HW discal band have the veins distinctly darkened (not in N. cartica.).
    The HW basal costal band is also more prominent in cartica.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720300020.html



    Suada swerga is quite variable.
    S. swerga swerga from India.
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...unte_ag601.jpg
    http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/med...ekar_ab499.jpg

    Suada swerga suava from Malaya is very distinctive.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WhP0QA3y5P...0/DSC_0283.JPG

    This one from Thailand should be ssp swerga.
    http://www.insect-hunter.com/threads...%E0%B8%B2.465/

    The white veining here is not so distinctive as those from Cambodia.
    It is probable S. albolineata as it stands is merely a series of variations culminating in the more extreme white veins to the east.
    This form have been taken with greater frequency now in Thailand.
    It would be interesting to see whether the two forms swerga & ?albolineata are sympatric.

    TL Seow
    Last edited by Psyche; 13-Feb-2014 at 11:51 PM. Reason: ID Correction

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    I had been wondering about the relationship of the two Suada species myself. Nice to see that you also have some doubts.

    I also have some Neptis and Pantoporia photos that are still waiting to be placed in their appropriate files, I can not make my mind up about these:
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    Post 16.

    1. Neptis nata adipala.
    The FW cell-bar & cellend spot are particularly narrow. The gap between them is wider than in other species.
    FW postdiscal band's lower spot relatively broad.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720190010.html

    2. Neptis soma.
    The underside colour is unusual.
    HW discal band reaches broadly to the costa.
    http://old.hkbutterfly.org/n_soma.htm
    This diifer from ssp shania.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720180010.html

    3. Neptis clinia
    In N. clinia the HW discal band encompasses the base of space 3 as a small sliver of white.
    http://yutaka.it-n.jp/lim1/720120010.html

    4 & 5.
    I am still trying to figure P. hordonia & sandaka.
    I think they are both male P. hordonia dsf.

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    Last edited by Psyche; 15-Feb-2014 at 01:21 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Thank you.

    Firstly, re 4 & 5, that was my problem, particularly as I have no confirmed photo of P. sandaka to compare with. It was the width of the grey band that confused me. I will place them as P. hordonia, with a '?' after.
    No. 3. I suspected N. clinia, but after 1 & 2, I was doubting my own thoughts.
    Re 1 & 2, they are the same specimen! The colour on the underside is odd, but I put it down to the lighting conditions at the time. From the upperside, I had suspected N. nata (I have the wrong ssp. on my site and must change it!).

    I have a question regarding Antonio's photo of N. cartica. The hindwing discal band does not reach space 7. I thought that it did in N. cartica, but not in N. magadha. Also, vein 6 is darkened and vein 5 partially so (if only just).

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