Ypthima baldus?

[Painted Jezebel]

Going through my Ypthima photos, not many as I find them boring, I came across this one which appears to have differently spaced ocelli on the hinding to my usual photos, and the hindwing appears paler.

Is this Y. baldus newboldi, or something else? If something else, then I will come back with a bit of a problem!!

[Psyche]

It is hard to say what 1 is, but 2 is definitely Y. horsfieldii.

According to C&P4, the ID is based on the underside.
In Y. horsfieldii. the ground colour is whiter, the fasciae or stripings more prominent, the two ocelli in space 2 & 3 are well apart; ocelli 5 & 6 variable in their size difference.

In baldus, the ground colour is more buff, the fasciae less distinct. ocelli 2 & 3 large & joined or at least touched; ocellus 5 is always much larger than ocellus 6.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/check...obby%20Mun.jpg
Male genintalia are similar.

TL Seow
PS. The paler whitish ground & separation of the spots 2 & 3 indicate 1 is also horsfieldii.

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you. they are the same specimen. I had gone through C&P4 and come to the same conclusion.

I had expected (and feared) this as it causes some problems:

1)Yutaka does not mention Y. horsfieldii humei from Indo-China, even as a synonym for another species.
2)Ek-Amnuay mentions it, but only as a synonym for Y. nebulosa.
3)I recently discovered that another species, Y. singorensis singorensis was reported from Koh Samui in 1984 by Aoki and Uehara, the specimen being collected in 1975. I doubt if this is it though.
4)Pinratana only includes it as part of a 'baldus complex' and follows this with a long and complicated explaination which he describes as only 'provisional', so he was not sure either.

[Psyche]

The Ypthima baldus complex certainly presents a lot of problem.

The Javanese taxon horsfieldii was separated from baldus.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59592328/Butterflies-W-Java

In Sumatra there are 2 taxa, moerus & nebulosa.
Taxon moerus is retained as ssp. of baldus.

Taxon nebulosa is similar to taxon humei, except the fasciae are obscured.
The name humei (south Myanmar to Malaya) seem to have been dropped, I don't know why.

If you follow the Japanese researchers, then you have Y. nebulosa.

No idea how Y. singorensis looks like.

TL Seow
PS. What you have probably comes under the new name of Y. singorensis.
The taxon name humei is inadequately described & is dropped, It was a provisional name based on a male clasper.
Taxon nebulosa is different in the obscure fasciae & in the androconia being 2/3 lenght that of baldus & 'humei'.
Since it can not be nebulosa & is different from baldus it has a new name.

[Painted Jezebel]

Thank you. It starts to make sense (if the baldus complex ever can)!!

As you realise from my previous post, I was getting seriously confused.

[teotp]

No idea how Y. singorensis looks like. TL Seow.

Seow, I sent you a revision paper from Uemura & Monastyrskii via email. There are photos of Y. singorensis indosinica.

Teo T P

[Psyche]

Seow, I sent you a revision paper from Uemura & Monastyrskii via email. There are photos of Y. singorensis indosinica.

Teo T P

Thank you, Teo.

TL Seow