Help with ID please

[MinuteMaid]

Hi, need help with some ID.

Is this A. athada?



what about this? It's very small...for an Arhopala. Maybe dwarf? Mistook it for a Rapala at first.




thanks!

[MinuteMaid]

one more for ID, thanks

[Psyche]

You certainly have a couple of interesting Arhopalas that adds to the confusion,

1. have all the features of A. sublustris except that spot 6 on the hindwing ( the one that is astride the 2 others below it) is not quite the usual shape for this species.
If this individual is about the size of A. major it is A. sublustris.
If it is much larger,(1 & a half or more ) than it is A. athada.
See discussion here.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/forum...ad.php?t=12887

2 is a member of the similar group (cleander group , subgroup alea).
Spot 6 on the hindwing is quadrate; the forewing postdiscal band's topmost spot is not shifted inwards as in 1.
This indicates this should be A. normani.
A. normani is usually only a little bit smaller than sublustris.
Compare sizes, C&P4 plate 51/39 A. sublustris & Pl 51/41 A. normani.
( C&P4 corrigenda indicates typo error & fig 43 is A. phanda not A normani.)

The crow is a female Malayan Crow Euploea camaralzeman.

TL Seow

[MinuteMaid]

You certainly have a couple of interesting Arhopalas that adds to the confusion,

1. have all the features of A. sublustris except that spot 6 on the hindwing ( the one that is astride the 2 others below it) is not quite the usual shape for this species.
If this individual is about the size of A. major it is A. sublustris.
If it is much larger,(1 & a half or more ) than it is A. athada.
See discussion here.
http://www.butterflycircle.com/forum...ad.php?t=12887

2 is a member of the similar group (cleander group , subgroup alea).
Spot 6 on the hindwing is quadrate; the forewing postdiscal band's topmost spot is not shifted inwards as in 1.
This indicates this should be A. normani.
A. normani is usually only a little bit smaller than sublustris.
Compare sizes, C&P4 plate 51/39 A. sublustris & Pl 51/41 A. normani.
( C&P4 corrigenda indicates typo error & fig 43 is A. phanda not A normani.)

The crow is a female Malayan Crow Euploea camaralzeman.

TL Seow

Thank you very much Seow, appreciate your help very much.

I have a whole bunch of Arhopalas that I can never ID and always just dump them as A. athada if it looks similar. for Arhopala #1, it is slightly smaller than athada (if i ID-ed athada correctly in the first place; see below). Arhopala #2 is smaller than #1 indeed. thanks for the ID on the Euploea as well. Can you know which subspecies this is based on the markings?

Is this A. athada then?

[Psyche]

Thank you very much Seow, appreciate your help very much.

I have a whole bunch of Arhopalas that I can never ID and always just dump them as A. athada if it looks similar. for Arhopala #1, it is slightly smaller than athada (if i ID-ed athada correctly in the first place; see below). Arhopala #2 is smaller than #1 indeed. thanks for the ID on the Euploea as well. Can you know which subspecies this is based on the markings?

Is this A. athada then?

Yes. You have a typical Arhopala athada.
I guess 1 is A. sublustris which according to C&P4 is common in Singapore.
As for the Malayan Crow. Not sure if it is the local subspecies malayica which the male had recently been redicovered in Singapore.
The spots are a bit reduced and small for ssp. malayica, but this could be just normal variation.

TL Seow

[MinuteMaid]

Yes. You have a typical Arhopala athada.
I guess 1 is A. sublustris which according to C&P4 is common in Singapore.
As for the Malayan Crow. Not sure if it is the local subspecies malayica which the male had recently been redicovered in Singapore.
The spots are a bit reduced and small for ssp. malayica, but this could be just normal variation.

TL Seow

thanks for the ID!

I asked about the crow because this wasn't shot in the wild. I shot this in the butterfly aviary in Sentosa last year, but chucked it into the Un-ID files. Since i'm digging some of it out now, i thought i'd post it just to ask.

There's another ssp for this crow, paraclaudina. i don't know if this is malayica or the former since it wasn't shot in the wild. but thanks for ID-ing, at least i know what species it is now.

[Psyche]

thanks for the ID!

I asked about the crow because this wasn't shot in the wild. I shot this in the butterfly aviary in Sentosa last year, but chucked it into the Un-ID files. Since i'm digging some of it out now, i thought i'd post it just to ask.

There's another ssp for this crow, paraclaudina. i don't know if this is malayica or the former since it wasn't shot in the wild. but thanks for ID-ing, at least i know what species it is now.

Subspecies paraclaudina is only found in Langkawi & occassionally in the mountains of peninsular Malaysia.

TL Seow

[MinuteMaid]

Subspecies paraclaudina is only found in Langkawi & occassionally in the mountains of peninsular Malaysia.

TL Seow

thanks for the info!

[Psyche]

I did a check on the underside of 1, & both C&P4's plate 67/10 and Fleming (Butterflies of West Malaysia & Singapore) 's L211B shows examples of A. sublustris which have spot 6 on the hindwing broader as in this individual, so this is considered normal as well.

As for 2, a 2nd possibility is A. phanda, another smallish species, though the description of the shape of hindwing spot 6 with its outer edge convex, and the presence of a costal spot in space 10 on the forewing point to this being A. normani.

Note both species are new to the Checklist, and require vouchered specimens for proper verification.

TL Seow

[MinuteMaid]

I did a check on the underside of 1, & both C&P4's plate 67/10 and Fleming (Butterflies of West Malaysia & Singapore) 's L211B shows examples of A. sublustris which have spot 6 on the hindwing broader as in this individual, so this is considered normal as well.

As for 2, a 2nd possibility is A. phanda, another smallish species, though the description of the shape of hindwing spot 6 with its outer edge convex, and the presence of a costal spot in space 10 on the forewing point to this being A. normani.

Note both species are new to the Checklist, and require vouchered specimens for proper verification.

TL Seow

Thanks again v much Seow.

Here's another un-id Arhopala and a Jamides. is it J. pura?